Mp cheaters are ruining the game.

12valve · Post by **12valve** » 25 Sep 2009, 22:34

It seems 1 out of 3 games I play involve cheaters. Is this just a unstoppable downfall of being open source? It's ruining the fun of mp when you research honest, and they come in and cheat there way to a easy win.

KukY · Post by **KukY** » 25 Sep 2009, 22:36

Well,only working solution is that you also start cheating...

zoid · Post by **zoid** » 25 Sep 2009, 23:24

Really? I've yet to run into a blatant cheater. Of course, some may just give themselves small power injections.

12valve · Post by **12valve** » 26 Sep 2009, 00:25

well, when you see a vehicle with 3 guns mounted on it.....lol

I leave at that point.

-Kosh- · Post by **-Kosh-** » 26 Sep 2009, 05:32

There is pretty much nothing that can be done to prevent cheaters in a open source game and the network model this game uses.

lav_coyote25 · Post by **lav_coyote25** » 26 Sep 2009, 05:33

take a screen shot and let us see what your on about... seeing is believing!! xD

Post by **Berg** » 26 Sep 2009, 09:24

I can see how honest players will end up not playing if the cheats spoil the fun.
One thing I do is have a password protected game and only allow known players in.
This creates the problem that people without friends to play with end up not being able to join an honest game.
It is a shame but playing with cheats and then suggesting that to get a game you must cheat also is a road to which the cheating will not end.
I have no solutions other than to password lock your games and only invite your friends.

smallfly · Post by **smallfly** » 26 Sep 2009, 12:25

i looked through the source code and it seems to be impossible to stop cheating completely, but i have a few ideas:

1.) delete all the built-in-cheats like "research all", "up the power" etc. because they are some kind of an invitation to cheat as you only have to call those functions i.e. via any "key bind". that way it is harder to implement cheat functionality, at least for people who don't have much experience with coding

2.) there should be an option "only allow players to join that have played 5 matches before". if you combine this new option with a user management (so that you have to login to use warzone multiplayer functionality in future) you can mark a player as cheater via warzone multiplayer frontend (i.e. in the menu opening trough the numpad enter button). a player marked 3 times (within 30 days) as cheater is automatically deleted from the warzone multiplayer list and has to start a new account. now he first has to win 5 matches again to join games with the option "only allow players to join that have played 5 matches before".

do you understand what i mean?!

Thyranim · Post by **Thyranim** » 26 Sep 2009, 16:25

so he makes 2 accounts that it is possible for him, to win 5 matches in about 5 minutes
what then???

12valve · Post by **12valve** » 26 Sep 2009, 18:14

yea, i'm thinking its way to much work to solve the problem. You would need something built into the mp servers that monitors production/research/oil to make sure the number of units and types there producing are ok at that time in the game. You won't see 50 scorpion lancers in the first 15 minutes for example. I don't see that being a viable option, I guess private games are the only way. Guess I need to join the irc chat to set one up when I want to play.

Post by **Zarel** » 26 Sep 2009, 21:52

Well, most of the cheats currently being used aren't too hard to prevent (power cheats and hacked data files - we don't even need to move to a full client/server model to prevent those), but none of us appear to be bothering to. :/

smallfly · Post by **smallfly** » 27 Sep 2009, 11:29

12valve wrote:yea, i'm thinking its way to much work to solve the problem. You would need something built into the mp servers that monitors production/research/oil to make sure the number of units and types there producing are ok at that time in the game. You won't see 50 scorpion lancers in the first 15 minutes for example. I don't see that being a viable option, I guess private games are the only way. Guess I need to join the irc chat to set one up when I want to play.

In those obvious cases there should be a command line parser function that recognizes the command

"PLAYER1 IS CHEATER"

and if all players of a match send this command via console, player 1 should be kicked and saved on a black list.

new paradigm leader · Post by **new paradigm leader** » 27 Sep 2009, 14:14

iz had that when i was attacked three mins in by tiget VTOLs
i had very little power and managed to survive the artillery etc by having a borg transport and construction units which i used to hide scattered outposts long enough to survive 20 mins

Buginator · Post by **Buginator** » 27 Sep 2009, 23:19

Zarel wrote:Well, most of the cheats currently being used aren't too hard to prevent (power cheats and hacked data files - we don't even need to move to a full client/server model to prevent those), but none of us appear to be bothering to. :/

More like, people don't have *time* to. I will throw something up shortly.

DFStormbringer · Post by **DFStormbringer** » 28 Sep 2009, 01:37

how the hell did EITHER of you get vtol in 3 min? o.O
you had to have started out at tech 2 or 3

because tech 1 theres a good 10-12 researches before you can get vtols going.

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