One for All and All for One! (players)

[Merowingg]

Ok I understand. Although this Sims Sport scares me a little I did not know you are so for sport games.

[Merowingg]

Gentlemen, will anny allies arrive on my case? or are you busy gaming?

I still would love to collect data

[Rman Virgil]

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Gamification or Game Frameing

BTW Mero - the Gamification, or Game Framing, movement could provide more fodder for your discussion on the merits of gaming with your Chicago relatives.
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[Merowingg]

Rman, man you are indeed very kind. I was considering doing that by adding address to this thread here and making a note but I have forgotten. Yes I saw that, I feel a little bit embarrassed.

My call was strongly general but I have to admit you are reliable!

[Rman Virgil]

Rman, man you are indeed very kind. I was considering doing that by adding address to this thread here and making a note but I have forgotten. Yes I saw that, I feel a little bit embarrassed.

My call was strongly general but I have to admit you are reliable!

It's all good.

This is a subject I first got into at the old WZ retail bbs with one of the Pumpkin devs. It was a discussion that led to many insights into the game itself including the "Ender's Game" connection. Other potent stuff like Pirsig's "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" and Hofstadter's "Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid". Enduring influence and interest. Part of the tradition, as I know it.

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[Merowingg]

Ok, I understand.

I sometimes wonder how was it here years and years ago

But seriously I do.

I am also surprised only three people could provide so much, while the other players give me no data here

[Rman Virgil]

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Well, it was not cynical at all and that made it more like a cafe atmosphere. Sometimes on a par with gatherings called salons.

Getting back to the matter at hand...

Jane McGonigal's site, she of "Reality is Broken: How Games Make Us Better and How They Can Change The World" fame: http://janemcgonigal.com/

And the HQ for the Gameification revolution: http://www.gamification.co/getting-started/

Think that about covers all i'm familiar with.

Enough foundation, all together, to begin working a Master's Thesis on the subject, methinks.
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[Merowingg]

Rman, I could use such Salon fashion. I simply love to meet and discuss.

When will you happen to be in central europe? Poland has so many wonders, both natural and intelectual that you could have some nice dose of food for thought here

The second link with this "YOU GOT ME" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ONEONEONE scared me a little so I think I have to go to bed.

I recognize the lady. thanks for all the links Sir

Shall I understand that you suggest me that I now have enough power to make the final stand against the "games are stupid, for morons, and have bots satan and evil in all of them, cause poverty, floods and diarhoea" people? To finally make them hate me due to a lot of for and against text which simply after all wil be against

Are we redy? Am I redy?

And I chose literary Rman in my Master's Degree so yh..

And what scares me the most. When were we at war? My agents report disturbing facts that you have typed such disturbing (facts?) somewhere here and we have no reply scheme for such situation.

Regards,

Mero

[Rman Virgil]

Rman, I could use such Salon fashion. I simply love to meet and discuss.

They are fab fun. You might consider starting one up in your neck of the woods. Really. You can get some tips at The World Cafe which is a cyber offshoot of the traditional salon, here:

http://www.theworldcafe.com/tools.html

When will you happen to be in central europe? Poland has so many wonders, both natural and intelectual that you could have some nice dose of food for thought here

Not for a couple years and even then it will be Santorini only. Before then its trips to NYC (several), SF (several), Alaska, Canada, Costa Rica, and, coming up next month, the Four Corners. Would like to spend a couple months in Europe traveling on rail, like one of my brothers does every year. Just not in the cards right now. But things could change.

The second link with this "YOU GOT ME" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ONEONEONE scared me a little so I think I have to go to bed.

I recognize the lady. thanks for all the links Sir

You bet. She's an impressive original thinker and a total gamer to boot. Got more of that rare combo of grit, grace, class and brains than most dudes you encounter in these "intertubes".

Shall I understand that you suggest me that I now have enough power to make the final stand against the "games are stupid, for morons, and have bots satan and evil in all of them, cause poverty, floods and diarhoea" people? To finally make them hate me due to a lot of for and against text which simply after all wil be against

Are we redy? Am I redy?

And I chose literary Rman in my Master's Degree so yh..

If you focus on these last 2 links I believe your discussion will be mutually rewarding with your relatives. Seriously.

And what scares me the most. When were we at war? My agents report disturbing facts that you have typed such disturbing (facts?) somewhere here and we have no reply scheme for such situation.

Regards,

Mero

Never at war. Just disagreement. Here and there. Nothing earth shaking really, Mero. Just making a point about all grown up, rational, communication being able to handle conflicting PoVs in a positive, agreeable, way. But the offensive "Loch Ness Monster" has reared it's guppy head again. Gosh, I can't imagine bringing that kinda "game" to RL and succeeding in anything. Ostensible a sign of strength excercised but, in reality, just the opposite.

At this moment, my mind is conjuring Macbeth:

To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death.
Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more.
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Perhaps, it's just a matter of much lowered expectations. It is what it is, top down, and it ain't ever gonna be a salon. Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, as the saying goes.

Regards, Rman.
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[Merowingg]

Yes the woman is indeed great and the site with her works is cool too.

I will gather it into nice message after my struggles on the studies. I was of course kidding with those quarrels, but I will be trully happy to reply to the fatal summer accusation

Meanwhile Rman take a look at this. I already decided after that, that I will buy the game, maybe even sooner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NjZtEio ... r_embedded

Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear,

we have very similar with the same meaning.

But we have also one about people too. If translatet directly it would go something like this.

Who was born as a bustard will nod die as canary. Heheheh Where "was born" indicates the nature of a person only. Does not imply anything to mother or his/her bringing up.

Where bustard, is to mean a swear word, ab ad person. There are also stronger versions of any kind, but it ends with canary always

[Rman Virgil]

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OMG. I expected the visuals to be state of the art and stunning and they are. But the GPMs, they too look to be outstanding. There was that part where Lara is talking to her friend via handset and her friend responds - "That's fracked up!" - man, that had me doing a double take and then cracking up. Can't wait to get my hands on it. Gonna play it to death if they have escalating difficulty settings.

I have a feeling it's gonna go well with your relatives.

I love sayings, adages and idiomatic expressions from different cultures and languages. They are windows into mindsets that can speak volumes with increadible concision, like world class poetry. I like your "canary" saying. Powerful contrast, the image conjures in the minds eye.

~Regards, Rman.
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[Merowingg]

You see, and you were so negative at the very beginning

Yes, higher difficulty lever may be advisable as an option, but who know how would that go if the player hasn't use those terrain issues for fighting. Also it is said you get all that gear in the middle of the game. Did you see this nail sticking out of the hilt of the shotgun? Very nasty weapon I assume it is to be.

Speaking abiut the relatives, well I think they will not read even half of it, or I will be called the satan provider but still it will be fun

Yes the sayings are very powerful

[Rman Virgil]

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Yeah, that preview did wonders for brightening my disposition.

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[Merowingg]

I am telling you, if that was a man, and he would swear, you still wouldn't like to have the game

I am teasing again

[Rman Virgil]

I am telling you, if that was a man, and he would swear, you still wouldn't like to have the game

I am teasing again

We still live with double standards, of that I have no doubt.

Another thing that I wonder about is how in the world they've managed an MP mode of this game. Not that that this is anyway a deal maker for me getting the game. Just curious. I also have to decide weather to get the WIN or PS3 version. My understanding is that only the console versions come as packaged discs with the WIN version being only a download of some 3 gigs.
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