Startup2 map?

[Zarel]

Hey, guys? I can't seem to find Startup2 mentioned anywhere on the forums (or the internet, or my e-mail inbox).

I'm pretty sure I have the latest version, but I can't figure out where it was uploaded.

I've attached my copy, which I'm pretty sure is the latest version, but I'm wondering what happened to the original.

[whippersnapper]

Hey, guys? I can't seem to find Startup2 mentioned anywhere on the forums (or the internet, or my e-mail inbox).

I'm pretty sure I have the latest version, but I can't figure out where it was uploaded.

I've attached my copy, which I'm pretty sure is the latest version, but I'm wondering what happened to the original.

It's in the "Legit Map Sticky Thread" here:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2707

This is my favorite map to test A.I. on head to head.

There's only one A.I. on this map I can't prevail against - the latest Become Prey. No matter what I've tried
to date it always crushes me within 30 minutes - and it does NOT cheat in any way. It out researches me
no matter how fast I am. NiKer really used his clan MP experience when scripting it.

I look forward to BP's release just because I'm curious if the stronger MP players out there can beat it
on this map.

Regards, whipper
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[whippersnapper]

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Puzzled at first - was it something I saId ? - but then << Matthew 5:29 >> came to mind:

And if thy right eye offend thee, scandalize thee, causes you to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from thee:
for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body be cast to Gehenna..

Later, coincidentally (maybe an instance of serendipity) I came across Arthur Schopenhauer's (1851) parable on
porcupine society which concludes:

The moderate distance which they at last discover to be the only tolerable condition of
interaction is the code of politeness and fine manners.

Ain't no thang you can't heartily laugh-off with all due regard, in manning-up. Anything less doesn't really fly even
without comment. As simple as - "My bad, thanks..." While lost sleep is hardly at stake, it's not in me to let it slide.
Would also prefer it never to arise but that's unrealistic in public discourse and will choose to abide my proactive nature
any day of the week over shying away from dialogue..

- whipper
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[Zarel]

-shrug- I dunno, I didn't think it was all that necessary to reply with "Oh, I see," s'all. Never really been fond of three-word replies. I thought it was clear enough that you answered my question. :/

[whippersnapper]

-shrug- I dunno, I didn't think it was all that necessary to reply with "Oh, I see," s'all. Never really been fond of three-word replies. I thought it was clear enough that you answered my question. :/

All right then. Logical, yes. And I'm sure you meant no dis. But logic alone is not enough to promote a robust culture of reciprocity, is all I'm sayin.

'nough said, whipper
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[Olrox]

I think Zarel isn't the man for communications. I mean, the way he exposes his ideas makes many people uncomfortable, upset!
Anyway, I always feel like every post of his asks for a long discussion where each post is longer than the last one...
Until he looses his thinking line or gets pwned by an massively consistent reply (or an elephant in his room).
xD

[Zarel]

I think Zarel isn't the man for communications. I mean, the way he exposes his ideas makes many people uncomfortable, upset!
Anyway, I always feel like every post of his asks for a long discussion where each post is longer than the last one...
Until he looses his thinking line or gets pwned by an massively consistent reply (or an elephant in his room).
xD

No, sir, you are the one who's misinterpreting things. <_<

Oh, yeah, I definitely make people uncomfortable, what with most of what I do being debugging people's crashes, answering people's questions, trying to improve the game, fixing bugs, joking around, trying to encourage people...

I don't really remember getting "pwned" by any. I'm usually the one with the massively consistent retorts, you know.

What would the retort be? "OH LOL YOU ONLY FIXED FIVE BUGS THAT DAY, LOSER."

Come on, counterexample. I dare you.

More seriously, try not to lose sight of me when you see balance arguments. Most of it ends up being people misinterpreting what I say - they usually end up with everyone agreeing with me once it's all cleared up, you know.

[Olrox]

No, sir, you are the one who's misinterpreting things. <_<

Oh, yeah, I definitely make people uncomfortable, what with most of what I do being debugging people's crashes, answering people's questions, trying to improve the game, fixing bugs, joking around, trying to encourage people...

I don't really remember getting "pwned" by any. I'm usually the one with the massively consistent retorts, you know.

What would the retort be? "OH LOL YOU ONLY FIXED FIVE BUGS THAT DAY, LOSER."

Come on, counterexample. I dare you.

More seriously, try not to lose sight of me when you see balance arguments. Most of it ends up being people misinterpreting what I say - they usually end up with everyone agreeing with me once it's all cleared up, you know.

You know, go dare yourself. It's better because you can get many more achievements and then you can come here and boast in a hundred lines' post.
I don't give a... minimal importance... to what you have done, if you like to boast it like that. You know, if you want recognition, you should be more discreet, at least that's my opinion. If you don't like something someone said, why don't you let them act the ass****, and you continue your work? If you give an answer "in the same level" to them, you are descending into the level of the people you say you dislike! That's at least contraditory...

Being harsh and gross but effective,
Stop complaining, and keep your composure if you want to be taken seriously. The recognition should come from people who value your work right away. If not, people don't even know what your work is, and that should be dealt with by disseminating it in a humble way.
That's politics, and surely work with human beings.

[Olrox]

Oh, yeah, I definitely make people uncomfortable, what with most of what I do being debugging people's crashes, answering people's questions, trying to improve the game, fixing bugs, joking around, trying to encourage people...

Also, you should add:
"Assuring monopoly of the jokes, because if someone jokes in a topic I joke, it's not fair and I reply with quotes and sarcastic comments"
It's useless to be serious if you won't be taken seriously. Also, it's contraditory to take seriously on a joke if you state that you joke yourself.

You've managed to spoil my mood today...

[Zarel]

You know, go dare yourself. It's better because you can get many more achievements and then you can come here and boast in a hundred lines' post.
I don't give a... minimal importance... to what you have done, if you like to boast it like that. You know, if you want recognition, you should be more discreet, at least that's my opinion. If you don't like something someone said, why don't you let them act the ass****, and you continue your work? If you give an answer "in the same level" to them, you are descending into the level of the people you say you dislike! That's at least contraditory...

Honestly? Stress. You know, it's finals week - or "stress week", as I like to call it. And in a way, what you said was right. I do get into arguments a bit much, so that's why it hurt when you pointed it out. Because of that, I said things I shouldn't have said. I'm sorry; I didn't mean them.

Being harsh and gross but effective,
Stop complaining, and keep your composure if you want to be taken seriously. The recognition should come from people who value your work right away. If not, people don't even know what your work is, and that should be dealt with by disseminating it in a humble way.
That's politics, and surely work with human beings.

I understand what you're trying to say, but I want you to know that I wasn't trying to boast. I don't do any of this for recognition. I license most my work CC0/public domain for a reason - I don't really care whether or not people attribute me. That's not important.

Let me explain - I think why I said that, is because I felt like you saw most of what I did as arguing, and I was trying to point out that I do a lot of other things on the forums.

Also, you should add:
"Assuring monopoly of the jokes, because if someone jokes in a topic I joke, it's not fair and I reply with quotes and sarcastic comments"
It's useless to be serious if you won't be taken seriously. Also, it's contraditory to take seriously on a joke if you state that you joke yourself.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that. I joke around when I can, but jokes are jokes. They're meant to be amusing. I see an opportunity to maybe make someone laugh, I say it. Where's the ulterior motive? What are you reading into that? o_O

Were you referring to the post you were replying to? That wasn't a joke; that was just a sarcastic overreaction.

You've managed to spoil my mood today...

Apologies. But those are the perks of criticizing me during Stress Week.

[Olrox]

Press this matter no further,
I won't fight your sarcasm, the one supposed to do that is no one but yourself, and lo, I'm not into that kind of boring dialogue where one tries to convice the other of something he isn't willing to believe. I eat my problems alive before they can breed, and I have the bad habit of trying to convince others to do the same to avoid more problems, and I'm sorry to care about your future or have enough compassion to think you could live better without being misunderstood because people like to give emphasis to the "rotten parts" of our ideas.
At least, the only thing I can still wish for you is good luck, because I think you'll need it...

[Zarel]

Press this matter no further,
I won't fight your sarcasm, the one supposed to do that is no one but yourself, and lo, I'm not into that kind of boring dialogue where one tries to convice the other of something he isn't willing to believe. I eat my problems alive before they can breed, and I have the bad habit of trying to convince others to do the same to avoid more problems, and I'm sorry to care about your future or have enough compassion to think you could live better without being misunderstood because people like to give emphasis to the "rotten parts" of our ideas.
At least, the only thing I can still wish for you is good luck, because I think you'll need it...

Um... I think you misinterpreted me again.

I was apologizing. Sincerely. (And also asking for clarification about what you were criticizing me about.) There wasn't any sarcasm...

I'm still not entirely sure what you're talking about - could you clarify?

[Olrox]

Um... I think you misinterpreted me again.

I was apologizing. Sincerely. (And also asking for clarification about what you were criticizing me about.) There wasn't any sarcasm...

I'm still not entirely sure what you're talking about - could you clarify?

Ok, but I won't post anything more in this topic because the "Off-topicness" of this conversation have reached critical levels long ago.

Were you referring to the post you were replying to? That wasn't a joke; that was just a sarcastic overreaction.

You said it was a sarcastic overreaction. I replied to it because I sincerely didn't think of it as a joke.

About the last post itself, I mean that I gave up on trying to help you recognizing a problem that I think you have. I can't prove you that you've got a problem to be solved, you've got to believe that yourself. What problem? If you are wondering, I can tell that I can't hardly believe that everyone misunderstand you everytime because they have a problem in understanding things. I think that the problem is in the way that you expose your opinion, not in your opinion itself. I've said, "I think Zarel isn't the man for communications.", you've replied with a "sarcastic overreaction"...
Everybody gets stressed sometimes, but posting your "sarcastic overreaction" or leaving the "submit" button alone for some time and think over it again can make the difference between a good reply and a "sarcastic overreaction". THAT was what I was criticizing you about all the time, or at least I think so.
At least I think so because I'm not yet sure if it's that what causes people to "misundrestand" you or if it is yet another thing.
And I'm NOT willing to help you find it if you don't think this as a problem to be solved, that would be the

I'm not into that kind of boring dialogue where one tries to convice the other of something he isn't willing to believe.

[Buginator]

O_O


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