Vtols are noobish and cheap!

[tmp500]

vtols are meant to stay. enough said

[zany]

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Well even if I whoop your ass that doesn't mean you should change your mind just for me, its more of a learning experience where you will learn about the noobness of vtols, but ok if you want, but lets not record it okay cause I might fail against you haha and I wouldn't want the shame on video, I know im good, but I don't know how good you are even though you say your far from being the strongest, but who knows.

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We need it recorded. We need to see you "whooping" (a loud cry of joy or excitement?) NoQ's "ass" (donkey?). If you're worried about a fluke incident and being unlucky and failing, maybe you could make it best of 3, so we can skip the video where something somehow went wrong.

how do you get wz to record it?

[NoQ]

You don't. You just capture the screen. That's why it's called a "video" rather than "replay".

[Shadow Wolf TJC]

how do you get wz to record it?

I'm guessing FRAPS or any other computer screen-recording program.

[Mafiaboss]

@mafiaboss, I see again you mention vtols sometimes not repairing. It's been a very long time since I've heard of this issue. I'm guessing it's scarred you. If you're still having this problem then please file a detailed ticket.

Hearing you talk about team play as though that's most of what you do has me even more confused as to why you hate them so much... even on low oil games having a partner to share the rearch makes using vtol and AA a lot easier.

As ridiculous as it sounds to use Tiger bodies on vtol, I've seen it many times and it can be very effective when you don't have fully upgraded Whirlwind or SAM's. SAM's are probably the best defense against those.

Hmm... I guess I'll have to add that the lack of unit preview adds to the effectiveness of VTOL, primarily in low oil duels. Due to the lack of resources you better off to forgo AA and produce lancer/AG vtol instead.

It didn't scare me its just that this is the way vtols have always been, seriously their pads suck, maybe it was fixed in the new beta ,but in all other versions the pads just fail.

Because most people that I play with or the games I play don't use vtols anyway, and I wouldn't want any of my teammates to ever use vtols to win, it would make them look noobish.

Yea tiger bodys can be used later, but most team games are quick and don't get to that point anyway, and yea vtols have too much effectiveness, and once again, its not like you can put up a wall to block them so wtf!?

Unit preview? I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Mafiaboss]

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Well even if I whoop your ass that doesn't mean you should change your mind just for me, its more of a learning experience where you will learn about the noobness of vtols, but ok if you want, but lets not record it okay cause I might fail against you haha and I wouldn't want the shame on video, I know im good, but I don't know how good you are even though you say your far from being the strongest, but who knows.

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We need it recorded. We need to see you "whooping" (a loud cry of joy or excitement?) NoQ's "ass" (donkey?). If you're worried about a fluke incident and being unlucky and failing, maybe you could make it best of 3, so we can skip the video where something somehow went wrong.

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And hahaha are you trying to call me biased or weak because I think the enemy is cheating or something, ha its not that at all, read the post that I replied to Jorzi

I wasn't suggesting that you thought the enemy was cheating.

Haha Im not no noob so something somehow wouldn't go wrong, unless NoQ is a really good player and knows what hes doing, and we could make it the best out of three if he has the time for that.

Then what were you suggesting?

[Mafiaboss]

I don't get it, are you saying vtols are too effective or too ineffective?
On one hand it seems like you complain they aren't worth the time/money, but on the other hand you seem to complain that it's hard to take them down if they use heavy bodies...

Ok heres the deal, it depends on the type of situation in which you are faced with or against vtols that either makes them too effective or too ineffective as you would say, but for the most part they are too effective which makes it too challenging for a player to beat them since the AA's you get suck and barley destroy them while there is nothing you can build in the air like a wall to block them from destroying your factorys in a couple shots, this is the exact reason why I hate vtols, they just don't belong in warzone, its almost like cheating by using them and thats why I say they are noobish and cheap!

P.S. And also a waste of your time focusing on them

So you essentially admit that you are easily defeated by vtol strikes, yet you call the people who use them noobs. It boils down to the question of "What did you do with your power while the enemy was researching and building those twenty plasmite tiger vtols?" because it's not like you couldn't have done the same thing.

Sure you could say that, but it applys to anyone as well, everyone is affected by these parasites being flown around in the air just passing what could be a wall to block them just to go on and destroy your factorys simply to annoy the sh*t out of you, and this could go on, and they could only use vtols while you work hard to build up units, but have them and your trucks destroyed by the pest and have this cycle repeat itself! >.>

Haha I wouldn't waste my time trying to research weapons to put on the vtols, thats for sure. And by that time of course vtols have a HUGE advantage on the field because of their damn armor if you haven't research enough by then or your teammates are failing to keep up with the research.

[Mafiaboss]

It sounds to me like you view vtols like I view GLA Rocket Buggys in CnC Generals.

When I use them they die like flies, when the AI uses them the kick my a**

They're balanced but the don't fit my play style

Haha once again thats really not possible for one side to have a greater advantage and what? GLA Rocket Buggys in CnC Generals. what does that even mean? sounds like some slang for warzone talk haha

[Mafiaboss]

vtols are meant to stay. enough said

HA! they are meant to be taken off any future warzone games just to be safe so that everyone can play fair cause with vtols turned on then everyone has the advantage to cheat, and I don't like cheaters when I'm trying to play a serious game

[Cyp]

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Haha Im not no noob so something somehow wouldn't go wrong, unless NoQ is a really good player and knows what hes doing, and we could make it the best out of three if he has the time for that.

Then what were you suggesting?

Do you have an IRC client? If you connect to #warzone2100-games at irc.freenode.net, you should be able to find lots of newbies to play against. Good for training, to see how fast you beat them. You could probably find lots of victims there that would dare to challenge you. (Depends a bit on time/timezone, though.)

But make sure you have version 3.1_beta4 (the latest beta, that is, which is 4 at the time of writing), because 2.3 has lots of bugs and it wouldn't be fair if you lost because of bugs in the game.

vtols are meant to stay. enough said

HA! they are meant to be taken off any future warzone games just to be safe so that everyone can play fair cause with vtols turned on then everyone has the advantage to cheat, and I don't like cheaters when I'm trying to play a serious game

Nah, I think tanks and cyborgs should be removed. Tanks and cyborgs are too strong, so using tanks and cyborgs is practically cheating. And I don't like people using tanks and cyborgs when I'm trying to play a serious game, so everyone should use VTOLs only...

[Mafiaboss]

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Haha Im not no noob so something somehow wouldn't go wrong, unless NoQ is a really good player and knows what hes doing, and we could make it the best out of three if he has the time for that.

Then what were you suggesting?

Do you have an IRC client? If you connect to #warzone2100-games at irc.freenode.net, you should be able to find lots of newbies to play against. Good for training, to see how fast you beat them. You could probably find lots of victims there that would dare to challenge you. (Depends a bit on time/timezone, though.)

But make sure you have version 3.1_beta4 (the latest beta, that is, which is 4 at the time of writing), because 2.3 has lots of bugs and it wouldn't be fair if you lost because of bugs in the game.

vtols are meant to stay. enough said

HA! they are meant to be taken off any future warzone games just to be safe so that everyone can play fair cause with vtols turned on then everyone has the advantage to cheat, and I don't like cheaters when I'm trying to play a serious game

Nah, I think tanks and cyborgs should be removed. Tanks and cyborgs are too strong, so using tanks and cyborgs is practically cheating. And I don't like people using tanks and cyborgs when I'm trying to play a serious game, so everyone should use VTOLs only...

Ok stop mocking me alright, and Im not going to pick on someone less experienced than I am because a pro beating newbies isn't a challenge and its just unfair, and no as long as everyone has good connection then there will be no problems with 2.3 and it will be fair

Hmmm well vtols is like cheating while tanks and cyborgs aren't because unlike actually having to go and stay on the ground where there is way more defense against attacks by tanks and cyborgs there is barley any choice of weapons to take up against vtols and weak ones at that so stop mocking me with your foolishness trying to make me sound like a fool when it is clear that vtols are the fool, and realize that they are noobish and cheap, I give you good points and reasons, all it seems you can do is mock me, hahaha

[Cyp]

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Ok stop mocking me alright, and Im not going to pick on someone less experienced than I am because a pro beating newbies isn't a challenge and its just unfair, and no as long as everyone has good connection then there will be no problems with 2.3 and it will be fair

No, even on a LAN, 2.3 isn't close to fair.

I'm actually curious how long I'd survive against you. We'd need to have the same version, though, and I only play 3.1. It would be good to play against a pro like you, so I can get more experience on how to survive against pros.

Hmmm well vtols is like cheating while tanks and cyborgs aren't because unlike actually having to go and stay on the ground where there is way more defense against attacks by tanks and cyborgs there is barley any choice of weapons to take up against vtols and weak ones at that so stop mocking me with your foolishness trying to make me sound like a fool when it is clear that vtols are the fool, and realize that they are noobish and cheap, I give you good points and reasons, all it seems you can do is mock me, hahaha

I actually had the impression that some weapons were quite strong against VTOLs. Sorry, but I'm having trouble comprehending why your points and reasons are good.

[Mafiaboss]

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Ok stop mocking me alright, and Im not going to pick on someone less experienced than I am because a pro beating newbies isn't a challenge and its just unfair, and no as long as everyone has good connection then there will be no problems with 2.3 and it will be fair

No, even on a LAN, 2.3 isn't close to fair.

I'm actually curious how long I'd survive against you. We'd need to have the same version, though, and I only play 3.1. It would be good to play against a pro like you, so I can get more experience on how to survive against pros.

Hmmm well vtols is like cheating while tanks and cyborgs aren't because unlike actually having to go and stay on the ground where there is way more defense against attacks by tanks and cyborgs there is barley any choice of weapons to take up against vtols and weak ones at that so stop mocking me with your foolishness trying to make me sound like a fool when it is clear that vtols are the fool, and realize that they are noobish and cheap, I give you good points and reasons, all it seems you can do is mock me, hahaha

I actually had the impression that some weapons were quite strong against VTOLs. Sorry, but I'm having trouble comprehending why your points and reasons are good.

Yea 2.3 works fine when people have good connections, stuff barley ever goes wrong in those types of situations, of course you might not know about this because you only play 3.1

Well I'm not switching over to 3.1 yet, but when the day comes we'll have to see about a match

Haha well if you think AA's are then thats foolish unless you research some stuff, but vtols are just too slick and too effective anyway so its like as soon as someone gets them then they basically entered a cheat code, and I've told you the reasons and they make good sense and are logical, but yet you seem to ignore the truth in them so I can't help that your ignorant.

P.S. come up with your own sh** to promote vtols and I'll see if I can stop that promotion unless you have nothing good to say about them.

[Cyp]

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Yea 2.3 works fine when people have good connections, stuff barley ever goes wrong in those types of situations, of course you might not know about this because you only play 3.1

Have you ever tried running two 2.3.9's on the same computer? Click a few times to tell a truck to move, and you already see it going in opposite directions on each client... Stuff often literally goes wrong within a second...

Well I'm not switching over to 3.1 yet, but when the day comes we'll have to see about a match

You don't have to switch over, you could install it without uninstalling 2.3.

Haha well if you think AA's are then thats foolish unless you research some stuff, but vtols are just too slick and too effective anyway so its like as soon as someone gets them then they basically entered a cheat code, and I've told you the reasons and they make good sense and are logical, but yet you seem to ignore the truth in them so I can't help that your ignorant.

P.S. come up with your own sh** to promote vtols and I'll see if I can stop that promotion unless you have nothing good to say about them.

So, if VTOLs are like that, I assume there's absolutely no risk of you losing a game, if agreeing at the start of the game that you and only you should be allowed to use VTOLs? Just checking if I understand what you're saying...

[Jorzi]

Seriously, being annoying is actually a merit when it comes to warfare. Also, vtols can be quite easily stopped before they reach your base by using interceptors (ie fast anti-air vtols).

Many years ago I used to be like you and think that the only honorable ways of winning a battle were by either steamrolling the enemy or taking him out with heavy artillery. Then I came to my senses and realized how narrow-minded that was.