Vtols are noobish and cheap!

[Mafiaboss]

there is just too much to do with all of those things combined

did you tried use hot-keys like "Ctrl+V" to select all vtols?
may be problem in fact than game does not provide good tools to handle diffents type of units

for first time its hard to use vtols, especially in high-oil games where you should:
(research in 5 labs, build defenses, build tanks/cyborgs and control them every second, see at situation with your allies, scout etc.)

Still wouldn't matter because even after you send those fools on your opponent they will have problems repairing and you enemy could attack and or use artillery against you, plus research, plus building for defense, and plus making and redesigning your units, and I don't think you can handle that or anyone in one session, and thank you for support my cause for high oil maps

[Jorzi]

I don't get it, are you saying vtols are too effective or too ineffective?
On one hand it seems like you complain they aren't worth the time/money, but on the other hand you seem to complain that it's hard to take them down if they use heavy bodies...

[NoQ]

Lolwhat? Tiger VTOLs?

Oh come on. Here is the deal. Mafiaboss, Let's have a 1x1 duel (: If you win, i apologize for my negative attitude towards you and your post and admit that VTOLs are noobish and cheap (by saying this aloud in this thread). If i win, you stop calling me noob (for i do use VTOLs when i find them effective); i wouldn't like you to call off the statement though. You pick the map. If the map is not symmetric, i pick the sides. We can discuss the date and time if you agree (i don't have too much time for playing currently, but i think i could find a day). I can record the match on video.

I'm far from being the strongest player around, and i played for only about two years, but I've already seen quite a few players who claimed to have played Warzone 2100 for 10 years but failed against a simple 5th minute mg viper wheels rush on Startup. Words are even worse than in-game ranks. It's really hard to discuss things until you know who is talking to you, right? (:

[Reg312]

@NoQ may be you are far from being the strongest player, but i think duel games is your specialization.
in such duel games every small mistake lead to fail
So is not fairly to offer duel game, i think better offer is 3x3 or 4x4 game

[Cyp]

I don't get it, are you saying vtols are too effective or too ineffective?
On one hand it seems like you complain they aren't worth the time/money, but on the other hand you seem to complain that it's hard to take them down if they use heavy bodies...

Maybe that enemy VTOLs are overpowered, but own VTOLs are underpowered?

At least, I find that all enemy units are overpowered, and all my own units are underpowered, so it could be something like that.

[Mafiaboss]

I don't get it, are you saying vtols are too effective or too ineffective?
On one hand it seems like you complain they aren't worth the time/money, but on the other hand you seem to complain that it's hard to take them down if they use heavy bodies...

Ok heres the deal, it depends on the type of situation in which you are faced with or against vtols that either makes them too effective or too ineffective as you would say, but for the most part they are too effective which makes it too challenging for a player to beat them since the AA's you get suck and barley destroy them while there is nothing you can build in the air like a wall to block them from destroying your factorys in a couple shots, this is the exact reason why I hate vtols, they just don't belong in warzone, its almost like cheating by using them and thats why I say they are noobish and cheap!

P.S. And also a waste of your time focusing on them

[Mafiaboss]

Lolwhat? Tiger VTOLs?

Oh come on. Here is the deal. Mafiaboss, Let's have a 1x1 duel (: If you win, i apologize for my negative attitude towards you and your post and admit that VTOLs are noobish and cheap (by saying this aloud in this thread). If i win, you stop calling me noob (for i do use VTOLs when i find them effective); i wouldn't like you to call off the statement though. You pick the map. If the map is not symmetric, i pick the sides. We can discuss the date and time if you agree (i don't have too much time for playing currently, but i think i could find a day). I can record the match on video.

I'm far from being the strongest player around, and i played for only about two years, but I've already seen quite a few players who claimed to have played Warzone 2100 for 10 years but failed against a simple 5th minute mg viper wheels rush on Startup. Words are even worse than in-game ranks. It's really hard to discuss things until you know who is talking to you, right? (:

haha ok yea that part is a little bit ridulous, but there are still heavy bodys which a person could put on a vtol to make them pretty much invisible against the AA's

Well even if I whoop your ass that doesn't mean you should change your mind just for me, its more of a learning experience where you will learn about the noobness of vtols, but ok if you want, but lets not record it okay cause I might fail against you haha and I wouldn't want the shame on video, I know im good, but I don't know how good you are even though you say your far from being the strongest, but who knows.

Yea people playing warzone for over 10 years sometimes are used to only playing against computer players, and computer back then on the oldest version are wayyy easier than the computer and human players today so they might have gotten used to taking their time because they knew that they didn't have to rush in because their opponent was stupid which left them today in "a pickle".

I can't give you a guarentee that I'll stop calling you a noob, it depends on how the match went, but I'll verse you then, you just give me the time you can play and I'll see if we can battle on that date and time.

Oh and to what Reg312 said, it wouldn't be right if we versed with 3vs3 or 4vs4 unless they were computer because there would be the factors of how good each player was, and I'm sure NoQ wants to just verse me alone

[Mafiaboss]

I don't get it, are you saying vtols are too effective or too ineffective?
On one hand it seems like you complain they aren't worth the time/money, but on the other hand you seem to complain that it's hard to take them down if they use heavy bodies...

Maybe that enemy VTOLs are overpowered, but own VTOLs are underpowered?

At least, I find that all enemy units are overpowered, and all my own units are underpowered, so it could be something like that.

And hahaha are you trying to call me biased or weak because I think the enemy is cheating or something, ha its not that at all, read the post that I replied to Jorzi

[effigy]

@mafiaboss, I see again you mention vtols sometimes not repairing. It's been a very long time since I've heard of this issue. I'm guessing it's scarred you. If you're still having this problem then please file a detailed ticket.

Hearing you talk about team play as though that's most of what you do has me even more confused as to why you hate them so much... even on low oil games having a partner to share the rearch makes using vtol and AA a lot easier.

As ridiculous as it sounds to use Tiger bodies on vtol, I've seen it many times and it can be very effective when you don't have fully upgraded Whirlwind or SAM's. SAM's are probably the best defense against those.

Hmm... I guess I'll have to add that the lack of unit preview adds to the effectiveness of VTOL, primarily in low oil duels. Due to the lack of resources you better off to forgo AA and produce lancer/AG vtol instead.

[Reg312]

vtols works better in team game, when people can research all necessary upgrades
in high-oil team games vtols is strongest thing until you have not researched all AA upgrades
and when i play such games i prefer it without vtols

for people who have problems with learning vtol tactic, i have map:

8c-BeerVtolArena.wz

vtols is not too complex

[Cyp]

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Well even if I whoop your ass that doesn't mean you should change your mind just for me, its more of a learning experience where you will learn about the noobness of vtols, but ok if you want, but lets not record it okay cause I might fail against you haha and I wouldn't want the shame on video, I know im good, but I don't know how good you are even though you say your far from being the strongest, but who knows.

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We need it recorded. We need to see you "whooping" (a loud cry of joy or excitement?) NoQ's "ass" (donkey?). If you're worried about a fluke incident and being unlucky and failing, maybe you could make it best of 3, so we can skip the video where something somehow went wrong.

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And hahaha are you trying to call me biased or weak because I think the enemy is cheating or something, ha its not that at all, read the post that I replied to Jorzi

I wasn't suggesting that you thought the enemy was cheating.

[Jorzi]

I don't get it, are you saying vtols are too effective or too ineffective?
On one hand it seems like you complain they aren't worth the time/money, but on the other hand you seem to complain that it's hard to take them down if they use heavy bodies...

Ok heres the deal, it depends on the type of situation in which you are faced with or against vtols that either makes them too effective or too ineffective as you would say, but for the most part they are too effective which makes it too challenging for a player to beat them since the AA's you get suck and barley destroy them while there is nothing you can build in the air like a wall to block them from destroying your factorys in a couple shots, this is the exact reason why I hate vtols, they just don't belong in warzone, its almost like cheating by using them and thats why I say they are noobish and cheap!

P.S. And also a waste of your time focusing on them

So you essentially admit that you are easily defeated by vtol strikes, yet you call the people who use them noobs. It boils down to the question of "What did you do with your power while the enemy was researching and building those twenty plasmite tiger vtols?" because it's not like you couldn't have done the same thing.

[bendib]

Vtols are often a nuisance in high oil, but in low oil (standard games) they are a very nice touch and I'd hate it if they were removed.. That is all.

[Shadow Wolf TJC]

I'd hate to see them removed as well. Rebalanced, maybe, but never removed.

[milo christiansen]

It sounds to me like you view vtols like I view GLA Rocket Buggys in CnC Generals.

When I use them they die like flies, when the AI uses them the kick my a**

They're balanced but the don't fit my play style