Uploaded Map not on Page

[fraggle]

Hi,

have uploaded yesterday a new map, but this map is not coming up on the map download page. Can somebody plz tell my why this happens.

Many thx in advance

[Iluvalar]

Hello Fraggle, we are sorry but we actually lack of time and good reviewers. To test play and validate all the content on addons. I suggest you start a topic to show us you maps.

[Merowingg]

Fraggle

Yesterday :) you have to be aware that you will wait quite for a while

I have eight maps awaiting there some for almost four months

But I am very patient

But indeed Gentlemen you should think about the solution

Black Project had not revieved any map for over a year, effigy did his best till about six months ago, and Noq when I reminded him about growing amount of my maps awaiting told me there is even no person to review his maps

Something do should be done about it I suggest thinking wise about new appropriate helpers and maybe dismissing unhappy ones? a year is a lot of time and even more maps

[lav_coyote25]

perhaps instead of making more maps, for now, test and review those that need to be done. when the backlog is completed - go back to making more maps. just an idea.

[Merowingg]

lav_coyote25

First of all I am honoured that you have suggested such thing, at the same time somehow I knew it might happen after my post and it was a thing that I was thinking about if I want to theoretically happen and due to this prediction I almost discarded the post.

At the same time I am happy that someone, even one person is willing to give me the opportunity to try at judging others, as all the time I had and actually I still have a feeling that I am considered among you as "the one who spams with the maps, very flat ones or strangely and rather disturbingly different ones than we all create for Warzone 2100" even now my friend I am not sure if you are not sarcastic at your proposal.

Of course I never said "Gentlemen maybe you need help in reviving some maps?" I didnt even suggested or show willingness from my side, but on the other hand I felt "why nobody ever asked..?" and here "the crap spammer" theore goes in.. I also didnt even dare to say "maybe I try revieving maps?" because I was afraid I wuill be seen as "not only he spams but also want to revive"

For a long time I actually thought half of you or maybe even more of you dont like me and I am not telling you do now

To sum up..

lav_coyote25 and you Gentlemen (any of close us and at leas one..) think that I am capable of dealing with the task? I mean you know me, I have a little lets say extraordinary look on mapmaking (at least sometimes) and I came up with few never seen before things. I am also aware of my many drawbacks which I constantly try to deal with but sometimes I continue them with premeditation becuse the map idea I had on mind was looking in this way and not the other.

I am not asking here you to ask me, or beg "please revive please revive" whad I do I feel, and some of you know that mapmaking here is already my passion, and I feel deeply about what I do, and I like it very much. What I ask here is a some sort of judgement over me, I would like at least one more persen tell me that I should do it or I should not. I just need to feel I am right, it is not for me like "cool, cool I am great let me revive something finally"

And remember about my style and way of thinking, I am not very classic here I suppose, at the same time I explain i am not saying here that if I am to see a natural classic map I rate it -1

I hope Gentlemen you know what I mean.. all questions I will answer with pleasure here or on PM but please if I am to try I do need support.

I am very sorry for the monologue.. I hope half of you didnt die in half of the post and another half at least partly know what I want to express here.

I am waiting here or on PM

Thank you again

Bye Gentlemen

[lav_coyote25]

no sarcasm offered. am serious. any one with time on their hands and a good head at looking at maps with an eye to what we ( the community) are looking for. just do it. if there is/are a problem(s) with some of the maps - just ask, i am sure someone will help out with the review.

do not be shy at doing something here on the warzone 2100 forums. just something i was told a long time ago. you can not please all of the people all of the time. if you try to do that, you WILL go insane. been there, done that. seriously. have a great new year.

[cumandgetit]

the solution here is to continuously recruit good and able volunteers to replace the continuous exit of good & able volunteers. same as the development team pattern. why that pattern and why only that solution we'll keep quiet about for reasons we'll not mention. lol

[NoQ]

lol

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8552

[cumandgetit]

lol

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8552

ya. lol. saw that thread when it was originally posted 25 Oct 2011 and didn't forget it. guess my post's deadpan, dry, irony was too deadpan and dry.

ironic humor aside, the long lasting solution is structural and systemic change but that will not happen. so, unrealistically, continuously finding new volunteers is the only possibility here.

[Merowingg]

lav_coyote25

Thank you for your words.

I am sorry I didnt answer earlier but I was quite busy..

NoQ

and cumandgetit, it is not matter of volunters, it is not at all, the judgin people should be chosen wisely.

As we can see in thread from the link judging the maps sounds cool!!!! those guys there are not eighteen yet as I could notice or at least some of them, I am not saying it afects the task but still. Many would like to be cool and rate maps, it even sounds cool "I rate maps for Warzone 2100, wow cool" In fact the judges, chosing, thinking, playing, and seeing the background shoud not be affected by anything. For example a person like NTWs.. and here we go 5, and 5 and ok 4,5.. or the map is flat but the reason is that it indicates the purpose of "the hills" on it (imaginary situation) and we have 1, 1, 1, 1, "flat map heh noob"

In my personal opinion and it is my opinion only, people who judge the maps should know the game very well, not play a lot, know the game very well, how it works, and secondly should know how map making looks like, define and divide between generators and had making. The best is they use FlaMe themselves, and not on three maps. Here NoQ fits perfectly for me, although he wasnt and still is not very willing to accept my destroying new approach to making extraordinary things. However he step by step understands me more I assume Effigy is a great veteran too, About Black Project well.. at thse times.. loong ago.. (2 years) the FlaMe was different, the possibilities too. I know him from about three map judges, so I cannot tell much. I also played with him when I was entirely beginning so even less information I have.

To sum up it cannot I repeat it cannot be simply volunteers, it would ruint the purpose of the addons entirely and I assume without reparation. The people do have to be chosen wisely, and well observed how they move around our letm me say society. Becuse if you are my friend and I give you 5.. then.. it is wrong again.

To sum up lav_coyote25 I will try it, but I have to get familliar with protocols But it will be my second thing after map making, I cannot give it second place I simply cant I am writing a PM to you within seconds

Thank you very much gentlemen

[cumandgetit]

the solution here is to continuously recruit good and able volunteers to replace the continuous exit of good & able volunteers.

you created a straw man, mero.

does that quote from my first post look like I said "simply volunteers" were needed ?

also, in my second post, I brought up structural and systemic change to improve the current status based on first hand, real experience with all the tasks, protocols and structures involved and not just me airing speculative jibber jabber like a parrot.

btw mero, you seem not to be aware that there are clear and specific guidelines for reviewers rateing maps in add-ons.

anyways mero, good luck with your actual, hands on experience. .

after you've done it for awhile you will realize there's more to it than anything you brought up. first hand experience tends to be more revealing that way over just simply thinking about it.

[cybersphinx]

From my point of view the problem is that the rating system conflates two things, a "is this map acceptable to be published", which is a simple yes/no, and a "how good is it", which is more involved.

Probably the simplest change would be to add a "acceptable?" switch that makes maps public (and needs less time than an actual rating), and make the rating optional.

ironic humor aside, the long lasting solution is structural and systemic change but that will not happen.

Well, the code for the addon page is at https://github.com/Warzone2100/wz2100.n ... net/htdocs, though I'm not sure if we currently have anyone who could actually review changes to it...

[cumandgetit]

From my point of view the problem is that the rating system conflates two things, a "is this map acceptable to be published", which is a simple yes/no, and a "how good is it", which is more involved.

Probably the simplest change would be to add a "acceptable?" switch that makes maps public (and needs less time than an actual rating), and make the rating optional....

that would be an excellent start to releiving the bottleneck.

also, while the map is made public in "Acceptable", unrated mode, it could also be useful to have a field for comments by members who have tried the map.

these 2 structural changes would benefit all - map makers, players and reviewers.

if I had the know how to make the changes I would. for Zarel it would probably be a piece of cake.