The tutorial seems to run okay though, but as soon as I load any other map, the games crashes to the Desktop immediately.
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It was too much work to maintain.crunch wrote:how come you guys don't have software mode anymore
GMA500 (which that article is about) is a fortunately relatively rare graphics chip Intel bought from PowerVR. It does not reflect the situation with the much more common graphcis chips developed by Intel themselves.Buginator wrote:What do all these have in common?
In almost all cases, this is the fault of crappy video drivers.
Here is a small article for the intel crowd: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/111853.html
For Intel (with the exception of GMA500 noted above) there is an excellent free Linux driver.Intel, and S3/Via integrated gfx chipsets have pretty poor OpenGL support.
This rant reads like you're about to fall into a trap of arrogance. When your code works with the Nvidia blob, but people complain it doesn't with Mesa you're likely to assume that it's the drivers fault. The truth could very well be that you're doing things that are undefined or implementation-defined or worse. To me this seems to be a common problem. Even id software falls for it sometimes (e.g. when they checked ARB_texture_compression only and assumed that it's presence implied the availability of the RGBA_S3TC_DXT1 texture format in one of their games; fortunately they fixed it in a later patch). Another, more recent example of a major organization falling for this trap is SPECviewperf11, which assumes that GL_ARB_vertex_program implies the availability some functionality from NV_fragment_program2, and doesn't bother to check for the presence of the latter¹.In short, nobody on the dev team has inferior hardware. We have nobody that can debug the issue. We don't have anyone available that can fix intel's / S3/Via's /insert whoever here/ crappy drivers.
Philipp
We have a mix of AMD/ATI & Nvidia hardware, and if we had any issues that is caused by our code, we would, obviously, try to fix it.
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The AMD/ATI & Nvidia proprietary drivers are better than the open source versions on linux.
Unfortunately, I know what you mean (: Yeah, that's the only fail by Intel, but it's soooo epic (:GMA500
Rather lack of manpower and testers, probablyThis rant reads like you're about to fall into a trap of arrogance.
This is a pretty old topic, however, what I wrote still applies.PkK wrote:This rant reads like you're about to fall into a trap of arrogance. When your code works with the Nvidia blob, but people complain it doesn't with Mesa you're likely to assume that it's the drivers fault. The truth could very well be that you're doing things that are undefined or implementation-defined or worse. To me this seems to be a common problem. Even id software falls for it sometimes (e.g. when they checked ARB_texture_compression only and assumed that it's presence implied the availability of the RGBA_S3TC_DXT1 texture format in one of their games; fortunately they fixed it in a later patch). Another, more recent example of a major organization falling for this trap is SPECviewperf11, which assumes that GL_ARB_vertex_program implies the availability some functionality from NV_fragment_program2, and doesn't bother to check for the presence of the latter¹.Buginator wrote:What do all these have in common?
In almost all cases, this is the fault of crappy video drivers.
The AMD/ATI & Nvidia proprietary drivers are better than the open source versions on linux.
Philipp
P.S.: ¹ Detail at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36295
It is not just *our* codebase. Blender, another OpenGL app, has exactly the same issues with the same video cards and drivers. Bottom line: Intel sucks at Opengl; S3/Via aspires to merely suck as badly as intel. (sorry for all the hurt feelings. boo hoo hoo)It isn't arrogance talking, it is experience with our codebase.
It is your drivers.ashadipenguin wrote:I have a MacBook Pro, running NVIDIA GeForce 9400m, and whenever i run the game, everything besides units/buildings is white. i can still see slopes and such, but its all different shades of white/black. i have all of the latest drivers by nvidia for my GPU. any ideas what may be the problem?
contra principia negantem non est disputandum
The solution for this is mentioned on the Download page:ashadipenguin wrote:I have a MacBook Pro, running NVIDIA GeForce 9400m, and whenever i run the game, everything besides units/buildings is white. i can still see slopes and such, but its all different shades of white/black. i have all of the latest drivers by nvidia for my GPU. any ideas what may be the problem?
that's the last driver provide..SiS UniVGA5 graphics driver
File Name R525v_Logo.zip
Version v 5.25
Release Date 2009-12-14
Support Products
SiS671FX , SiS671 , SiSM671 , SiSM671MX , SiS672FX , SiS672 , SiSM672 , SiSM672MX ,
File Size 14,747KB
Support OS Windows Vista