"Beta 7" vs "Beta VII"

[Rman Virgil]

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Well I already made a minimalist suggestion - keep the old and simply add an ML 1 (Mission Level) or just M1 as in Beta M1 (Beta Mission 1).

But there are other more colorful approaches using stock military jargon like for example:

~ Alpha Echo 1

~ Beta Tango 1

~ Gamma Delta 1

Then there is the dramatic appellation approach suggested already by 3Drts which has its strong storytelling aspects.

Using just the tile set designation strikes me as unnecessarily stripping it of both military and dramatic connotations even though it would serve the ends you seek of distinguishing Beta CAM from Binary Betas.

- RV

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[vexed]

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Well I already made a minimalist suggestion - keep the old and simply add an ML 1 (Mission Level) or just M1 as in Beta M1 (Beta Mission 1).

This could work...

Using just the tile set designation strikes me as unnecessarily stripping it of both military and dramatic connotations even though it would serve the ends you seek of distinguishing Beta CAM from Binary Betas.

Um... I don't see why we don't use what Pumpkin already uses for the FMVs.

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/* Campaign 2 Mission Briefing text */

/* Cam2a player indent - Defend and Fortify */
CAM2A_MSG1			_("BETA BASE MISSION: Eastern Sector")
CAM2A_MSG2			_("Upon arrival you are to assume command of the base.")
CAM2A_MSG3			_("You must defend it and hold it.")

/* Cam2a briefing - Defend and Fortify */
CAM2A_MSG4			_("BETA BASE MISSION: Defend and Fortify")
CAM2A_MSG5			_("Be sure to fortify the perimeter and establish anti-aircraft defenses.")
CAM2A_MSG6			_("New technologies are available.")

/* Cam2a player indent - Defend and Fortify */
CAM2A_MSG7			_("We are currently detecting coded bitstream signals.")
CAM2A_MSG8			_("Decoding...")

/* Cam2_1 player indent - Transport Down */
CAM2_1_MSG1			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Transport Down")
CAM2_1_MSG2			_("Our transport carrying units from team Alpha Base has been shot down.")

/* Cam2_1 briefing - Transport Down */
CAM2_1_MSG3			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Transport Down")
CAM2_1_MSG4			_("It is under attack from The Collective at this location.")
CAM2_1_MSG5			_("Assemble a rescue team to recover the transport and its cargo.")

/* Cam2 intro1 - in flight part 1 */
CAM2_INT_MSG1			_("IN-FLIGHT BRIEFING")
CAM2_INT_MSG2			_("Team Beta are searching for Vertical Takeoff and Landing (VTOL) technology.")
CAM2_INT_MSG3			_("It's believed to be at a pre-Collapse airbase in this area.")

/* Cam2 intro1 - in flight part 2 */
CAM2_INT_MSG4			_("Team Beta under heavy attack")
CAM2_INT_MSG5			_("Be sure to fortify the perimeter and establish anti-aircraft defenses.")
CAM2_INT_MSG6			_("New technologies are available.")

/* Cam2_B - Hold at all costs - player ident */
CAM2_B_MSG1			_("BETA BASE MISSION: Hold at all costs")
CAM2_B_MSG2			_("We are detecting coded bitstream signals from the Collective.")
CAM2_B_MSG3			_("Decoding...")

/* Cam2_B - Hold at all costs - briefing*/
CAM2_B_MSG7			_("BETA BASE MISSION: Hold At All Costs")
CAM2_B_MSG8			_("We are detecting ground and aerial forces from the north.")
CAM2_B_MSG9			_("Hold your position and repulse these attacks, then eradicate the enemy's northern base.")

/* Cam2_2 - Intercept convoy */
CAM2_2_MSG			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Intercept convoy.")
CAM2_2_MSG2			_("Data from the Collective's base indicates the presence of the NEXUS intruder program.")
CAM2_2_MSG3			_("Before NEXUS switched itself off-line we accessed the following.")

CAM2_2_MSG4			_("An enemy commander is collecting a shipment from NEXUS at this location.")		
CAM2_2_MSG5			_("Once at the LZ, eradicate the enemy commander and recover the shipment.")
CAM2_2_MSG6			_("Then return to the LZ.")

CAM2_2_MSG7			_("Disturbing news regarding NASDA.")

/* Cam2_3 Search and Destroy - player ident */
CAM2_3_MSG			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Search for and Destroy Convoy")
CAM2_3_MSG2			_("The shipment you recovered was a decoy.")
CAM2_3_MSG3			_("We have detected another convoy proceeding along the river.")

/* Cam2_3 Search and Destroy - briefing */
CAM2_3_MSG4			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Search for and Destroy Convoy")
CAM2_3_MSG5			_("You are to intercept the convoy and recover its cargo.")
CAM2_3_MSG6			_("Enemy VTOLs are likely to be flying close escort.")

/* Cam2_4 Rescue civilians from containment camp - player ident */
CAM2_4_MSG			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Rescue civilians from Containment Camp")
CAM2_4_MSG2			_("The Collective are processing and exterminating civilians at this base.")

/* Cam2_4 Rescue civilians from containment camp - briefing */
CAM2_4_MSG3			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Rescue civilians from Containment Camp")
CAM2_4_MSG4			_("You are to rescue the civilians.")
CAM2_4_MSG5			_("Then destroy the camp.")

/* Cam2_C Destroy Enemy Air Base & Recover VTOLs - player ident part1 */
CAM2_C_MSG1			_("BETA BASE MISSION: Destroy Enemy Air Base and Recover VTOLs.")
CAM2_C_MSG2			_("Analysis of flight paths indicate that The Collective's VTOLs originate from here.")

/* Cam2_C Destroy Enemy Air Base & Recover VTOLs - Briefing part1*/
CAM2_C_MSG3			_("BETA BASE MISSION: Destroy Enemy Air Base and Recover VTOLs")
CAM2_C_MSG4			_("The location of the enemy airbase is here; this is your primary objective.")
CAM2_C_MSG5			_("Eradicate all Collective forces and recover all artifacts.")

/* Cam2_C Destroy Enemy Air Base & Recover VTOLs - Player Ident part2*/
CAM2_C_MSG6			_("SECONDARY MISSION: Destroy or Drive Off Enemy Transport")
CAM2_C_MSG7			_("The Collective are rounding up all civilians in this area.")
CAM2_C_MSG8			_("They are then flying them to an unknown location.")

/* Cam2_C Destroy Enemy Air Base & Recover VTOLs - Briefing part2*/
CAM2_C_MSG9			_("SECONDARY MISSION: Destroy or Drive Off Enemy Transport")
CAM2_C_MSG10			_("Destroy or drive off The Collective's transport.")
CAM2_C_MSG11			_("Rescue as many civilians as possible.")

/* Cam2_5 Destroy power plant - player ident */
CAM2_5_MSG			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Destroy Reactor")
CAM2_5_MSG2			_("The Collective are searching for knowledge of nuclear reactors.")
CAM2_5_MSG3			_("They must be stopped.")

/* Cam2_5 Destroy power plant - briefing */
CAM2_5_MSG4			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Destroy Reactor")
CAM2_5_MSG5			_("Proceed from the LZ to the reactor and destroy it.")
CAM2_5_MSG6			_("Do not allow the Collective to bring the reactor on-line.")

/* Cam2DI Capture NASDA central - briefing */
CAM2_DI_MSG3			_("BETA BASE MISSION: Capture NASDA Central")
CAM2_DI_MSG4			_("Capture NASDA central before NEXUS and the Collective can use it.")
CAM2_DI_MSG5			_(" ")

/* Cam2_6 part2 Satellite Uplink - player ident*/
CAM2_6_MSG			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Satellite Uplink Site")
CAM2_6_MSG2			_("NEXUS is searching for still functioning memory banks.")
CAM2_6_MSG3			_("Part of its consciousness has moved to a remote NASDA control-site.")

/* Cam2_6 - Brief part1 Satellite Uplink */
CAM2_6_MSG4			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Satellite Uplink Site")
CAM2_6_MSG5			_("We are detecting transmissions from this site that are reaching high orbit.")
CAM2_6_MSG6			_("NEXUS has now reconnected itself with the NASDA satellites.")

/* Cam2_6 - Brief part2 Satellite Uplink */
CAM2_6_MSG7			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Satellite Uplink Site")
CAM2_6_MSG8			_("Use the transport to carry a strike force to this site.")
CAM2_6_MSG9			_("Destroy the site and return to your base.")

/* Cam2_7 - Enemy Ground Launch */
CAM2_7_MSG			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Destroy Enemy SAM Sites")
CAM2_7_MSG2			_("If you are to escape, eradicate the surface-to-air missile sites around your base.")
CAM2_7_MSG3			_("Fly to the LZ, then head overland to destroy the SAM sites.")

/* Cam2_8 - Establish Safe Haven - player */
CAM2_8_MSG			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Establish Safe Haven")
CAM2_8_MSG2			_("We can confirm a missile is heading for Alpha Base.")
CAM2_8_MSG3			_("You are to establish a safe haven for evacuation of Beta Base.")

/* Cam2_8 - Establish Safe Haven - mission brief */
CAM2_8_MSG4			_("TRANSPORT MISSION: Establish Safe Haven")
CAM2_8_MSG5			_("Eradicate any enemy and secure the area.")
CAM2_8_MSG6			_("Once a safe haven is established, return to the LZ for further orders.")

/* Cam2DII - Air Raid & Evac - player ident */
CAM2_DII_MSG1			_("BETA BASE MISSION: Evacuate!")
CAM2_DII_MSG2			_("Commander, we have grave news.")
CAM2_DII_MSG9			_("Alpha base has been destroyed by nuclear missile attack.")

/* Cam2DII - Air Raid & Evac - mission brief */
CAM2_DII_MSG3			_("BETA BASE MISSION: Evacuate!")
CAM2_DII_MSG4			_("The Collective are unaware of the nuclear attack and have air units heading for your base.")
CAM2_DII_MSG5			_("This message was intercepted a few moments ago...")

/* Cam2DII - Air Raid & Evac - player ident part 2 */
CAM2_DII_MSG6			_("BETA BASE MISSION: Evacuate!")
CAM2_DII_MSG7			_("You must transport as many of your forces as possible.")
CAM2_DII_MSG8			_("Good luck, Commander.")

[Rman Virgil]

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Combining already posted suggestions by others...

~ Alpha Desert 1

~ Beta Urban 1

~ Gamma Mountain 1

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[KukY]

~ Alpha Desert 1
~ Beta Urban 1
~ Gamma Mountain 1

Too long.

[Rman Virgil]

~ Alpha Desert 1
~ Beta Urban 1
~ Gamma Mountain 1

Too long.

Can you state your reason for that conclusion - otherwise it sounds like a decree.

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[Wisler]

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Combining already posted suggestions by others...

~ Alpha Desert 1

~ Beta Urban 1

~ Gamma Mountain 1

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I like the sound of these ones, gives more life to the names and still gives a clear view of what level you are on without being too long or over complex.

[KukY]

Can you state your reason for that conclusion - otherwise it sounds like a decree.

Well, just naming the campaign and placing the mission number sounds as the best option to me. I think we should move away from Alpha, Beta and Gamma and leave them just as team names. This feels too much like just complicating. So, we should decide how will we name the campaigns.

After all, why are we doing this? Because Cybersphinx sometimes mixes campaign mission marks with WZ versions?

[Rman Virgil]

Can you state your reason for that conclusion - otherwise it sounds like a decree.

Well, just naming the campaign and placing the mission number sounds as the best option to me. I think we should move away from Alpha, Beta and Gamma and leave them just as team names. This feels too much like just complicating. So, we should decide how will we name the campaigns.

After all, why are we doing this? Because Cybersphinx sometimes mixes campaign mission marks with WZ versions?

Alpha, Beta, Gamma are what give it the aforementioned military "flavor" & tradition. If you rename them (and I see nothing wrong with that) then I think the replacement names should also have that military quality.

As for cybersphinx:

Funny what some offhanded joke can lead to...

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[JDW]

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Combining already posted suggestions by others...

~ Alpha Desert 1

~ Beta Urban 1

~ Gamma Mountain 1

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These are the only possible alternatives to the present ones that I've liked in this entire thread. And I believe it works very well to remove the confusion between, say, Beta 2 (WZ release) and Beta Urban 2 (mission).

[3drts]

I don't like the way they sound combined.

Lets look back at the first post, the reason for the re-naming:

When people talk about having e.g. problems in beta7 my first thought is always why they're not using 2.3.4

To re-iterate what I said in my previous post:
People will use shorthand, unless they are aware of the potential confusion, if they are aware of the potential confusion, they would specify they were talking about the mission 7 of campaign beta, and there is no problem.

Alpha Desert will get shortened to just Alpha,
Beta Urban will get shortened to just Beta,
I can guarantee people will still ask for help referring to the mission as beta X if we don't drop beta from the name, or at least make sure it isn't the first word in the name.

[JDW]

Alpha Desert will get shortened to just Alpha,
Beta Urban will get shortened to just Beta,
I can guarantee people will still ask for help referring to the mission as beta X if we don't drop beta from the name, or at least make sure it isn't the first word in the name.

True. It could happen.

But to be absolutely honest, I don't see what the commotion is all about. Is the identity crisis that grave in the first place?

[Rman Virgil]

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But to be absolutely honest, I don't see what the commotion is all about. Is the identity crisis that grave in the first place?

My thought too.

But let throw this out.

Alpha, Beta, Gamma are just the first 3 letters of the Greek alphabet.

Could skip 'em entirely & go to letters 4, 5 and 6 which also have a Military tradition of usage:

Delta, Epsilon, Zeta ?

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[JDW]

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But let throw this out.

Yeah, Iet's see where this goes

Maybe this website would interest some of you,
http://www.combat.ws/S4/MILTERMS/INDEX.HTM