weapon weight balance

[Zarel]

Of course not, that would be stupid. Just like your post...

Now, now, let's all play nice...

[TVR]

... Yeah, but why not allow ground units to move at a decent speed with it? ...

Ground units with heavy weapons are meant to hold a line, they can be rotated in and out for repairs, which is what the commander automates.

... this spoils the supposed defensive profile of the turret. ...

VTOLs are designed to be used for air strikes, there's no loiter ability nor ammo to do so, so it cannot hold a line.

Consider the VTOL HL as lacking the heavy batteries that allow sustained operation, and a disposable collimator that needs to be replaced after every air strike, then it would be reasonable to expect a weight reduction of 3/4ths

[Zarel]

VTOLs are designed to be used for air strikes, there's no loiter ability nor ammo to do so, so it cannot hold a line.

Consider the VTOL HL as lacking the heavy batteries that allow sustained operation, and a disposable collimator that needs to be replaced after every air strike, then it would be reasonable to expect a weight reduction of 3/4ths

Makes sense. I like this explanation.

[Zarax]

Although some weapons *could* use more ammo.

Considering that real life equivalents are multi weapon platforms (IE an Harrier would usually carry at least a gun pod and a couple missiles) it would make sense if a machine gun VTOL could last longer around (provided no AAA to fire at it) than a lancer.

[Olrox]

VTOLs are designed to be used for air strikes, there's no loiter ability nor ammo to do so, so it cannot hold a line.

Consider the VTOL HL as lacking the heavy batteries that allow sustained operation, and a disposable collimator that needs to be replaced after every air strike, then it would be reasonable to expect a weight reduction of 3/4ths

Makes sense. I like this explanation.

And what happened to other lasers? Their weight isn't touched between land or VTOL versions.

[TVR]

... And what happened to other laser ... ? Their weight isn't touched between land or VTOL versions.

The VTOL Pulse LASER trades off the batteries for an aerial high-speed targeting system.

[Olrox]

... And what happened to other laser ... ? Their weight isn't touched between land or VTOL versions.

The VTOL Pulse LASER trades off the batteries for an aerial high-speed targeting system.

That's why it has the same accuracy as Heavy Laser and Flashlight, then? Tell me how that's supposed to make sense.

[Zarel]

That's why it has the same accuracy as Heavy Laser and Flashlight, then? Tell me how that's supposed to make sense.

"aerial high-speed targeting system"

Tell me with a straight face that you need a high-speed targeting system for the HL, or that the VTOL Flashlight is heavier than the Flashlight. :rolleyes:

[Olrox]

That's why it has the same accuracy as Heavy Laser and Flashlight, then? Tell me how that's supposed to make sense.

"aerial high-speed targeting system"

Tell me with a straight face that you need a high-speed targeting system for the HL, or that the VTOL Flashlight is heavier than the Flashlight. :rolleyes:

I didn't get your point, sorry, but indeed Pulse Laser and Flashlight have the same weight than their VTOL versions.

And I know that you aren't going to change their balance, because you don't want to... I will not waste my time talking about this any further, my purpose of pointing out the facts is already accomplished.

And I even won an internet today
I'm still thinking what should I do with that :rolleyes:

[TVR]

I'm making this suggestion based on graphical representation and some sense only. I'm not accustomed with real life weaponry, so anyone with better knowledge may have their say. Weight data taken from 2.3 beta 10

1. Hurricane = Cyclone/Whirlwind = 10.000
graphically hurricane is only half the size of other AA guns, does it weight the same?

2. Howitzer = Hellstorm = 10.000
isn't hellstorm uses 3 howitzers? or smaller version?

3. Mortar=2.000 vs Pepperpot=1.000
it seems pepperpot uses smaller mortars, but does it really weight less?

They must be better in every single aspect, otherwise those turrets wouldn't obsolete the previous turret.

4. Avenger=400 vs Vindicator=6.000
i think that is a lot of weight for an extra couple of missile..

The Vindicator does more DPS per $ than the Avenger... but the weight penalty serves to encourage defencive, rather than offencive use.

[Assault Gunner]

Indeed. Due to the extreme weight of the Vindicator, it is near-impossible to use it offensively, unless you don't mind an offensive that moves excruciatingly slowly until you get Wyvern body, which is still very slow.

[Zarel]

If I didn't say so earlier, I am indeed planning on making the Vindicator lighter.