Proposal of a new VTOL: Based on real-life counterparts

[Black Project]

I made a new GFX for the VTOL that was based on those real-life modern fighter/bombers

I hope you like it:

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Bases of inspiration:

F-117 http://torqueteam.files.wordpress.com/2 ... _front.jpg
F-22 http://www.imotion.com.br/imagens/data/ ... raptor.jpg
f-35 http://cavok.com.br/blog/wp-content/upl ... 5_ctol.jpg

[Olrox]

But none of the aircraft you've used as inspiration are VTOLs
Anyway, I think it looks nice, but the wings need to be a bit less wide, as the vertical stabilizers do, IMO. It looks too wide in relation to your design inspirations.
And if you plan on mantaining them as VTOL (as opposed to CTOL and yet very different from STOL) you should add more vertical thrusters (it looks too heavy and flimsy with only the body thruster, I think).

~Olrox

[Rman Virgil]

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Kwel.

Nothing to add to Olrox's design suggestions.

Did recently come across Garrow Aircraft's Verticopter STOVL which struck me as the most advanced and elegant design I've ever seen. You might find it interesting too.

Here's a pic: http://www.verticopter.com/media/pictur ... 1large.jpg

- RV
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[Zarel]

Did recently come across Garrow Aircraft's Verticopter STOVL which struck me as the most advanced and elegant design I've ever seen. You might find it interesting too.

Not sure that would attach well to our existing unit bodies.

[KukY]

With little bit of Transport lift path ajdusting to make it look more realistic, it could look great on Transport!

[KenAlcock]

But none of the aircraft you've used as inspiration are VTOLs

The F-35 JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) comes in three variations, one of which is indeed a VTOL. Doors open up both above and below the center of the main fuselage, exposing a horizontally aligned turbine lift fan and the rear jet duct can also be redirected 90 degrees downward. However, when the jet is in the air, it looks very much like the third image the OP linked to.

JSF makes landmark STOVL test flight

[Rman Virgil]

Did recently come across Garrow Aircraft's Verticopter STOVL which struck me as the most advanced and elegant design I've ever seen. You might find it interesting too.

Not sure that would attach well to our existing unit bodies.

Your right.

But...

With little bit of Transport lift path adjusting to make it look more realistic, it could look great on Transport!

Which is one of it's proposed military uses - heavy payload troop "Airlift". (I've never been a big fan of the 2 stock transport designs.)

And then there is the following thread - (I'm sure Olrox will remember this old chestnut)..

Dedicated Aircraft Bodies

- RV
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[Black Project]

But none of the aircraft you've used as inspiration are VTOLs

F-117 and F-22 aren't VTOLs, but check out the F-35 on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GjrPvSBGXE

Not sure that would attach well to our existing unit bodies.

I made the GFX only for Retribution body.

Later, i'll make for the another bodies (but for Warzone 2120 )

Regards BP

[Rman Virgil]

Not sure that would attach well to our existing unit bodies.

I made the GFX only for Retribution body.

Later, i'll make for the another bodies (but for Warzone 2120 )

Regards BP

Zarel's comment was actually in the context of (as he clearly indicated, I thought):

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Did recently come across Garrow Aircraft's Verticopter STOVL which struck me as the most advanced and elegant design I've ever seen. You might find it interesting too.

Here's a pic: http://www.verticopter.com/media/pictur ... 1large.jpg

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Your elaborating on your design goals was still welcome.

Makes me wonder too - can there be linkage between cognitive dissonance and Freudian slips ? :suprised: I'll have to look into that. Interesting tangent, that.

- RV
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[Zarel]

Which is one of it's proposed military uses - heavy payload troop "Airlift". (I've never been a big fan of the 2 stock transport designs.)

Interesting, the current cyborg transport already has a fan going through the center. It's like Pumpkin had thought of exactly that!

[Black Project]

In thinking about making another VTOL GFX, but this time, something like the V-22 Osprey: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ation.jpeg

But replace the Rotor-Bladed Engine with a Jet Turbine, like EWR VJ 101 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 01C_LH.jpg
...or the Dornier Do 31: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... -_NASA.jpg
http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~papierbd/po ... emagne.jpg

What you think?

[Olrox]

But none of the aircraft you've used as inspiration are VTOLs

The F-35 JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) comes in three variations, one of which is indeed a VTOL. Doors open up both above and below the center of the main fuselage, exposing a horizontally aligned turbine lift fan and the rear jet duct can also be redirected 90 degrees downward. However, when the jet is in the air, it looks very much like the third image the OP linked to.

JSF makes landmark STOVL test flight

Red is a lie and blue proves that. Further explanation below:

But none of the aircraft you've used as inspiration are VTOLs

F-117 and F-22 aren't VTOLs, but check out the F-35 on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GjrPvSBGXE

All the F-35 designs (A, B and C if I remember it right) aren't VTOL, you're speaking about JSF C, which is designed for aircraft carriers as a STOVL. STOVL is not VTOL. The footage shows that it can lift itself off the ground, but didn't show that it could actually reposition its parts and get a decent trajectory without the "ST" from "STOVL". Actually the take-off footage shows it gaining speed in a short airstrip. Probably its fans/ rotational thrusters are for landing only (the jet uses the rotational thrusters to reduce speed, the big fan to stabilize, and then the rotational thrusters again to actually land smoothly, vertically.

That's what STOVL is all about, but that's really unimportant to keep discussing about. With those rotational jet thrusters and the lifting speed, it is far from what we see on a WZ VTOL (takes off fast, gain speed fast, stop fast and land fast).

anyway.

In thinking about making another VTOL GFX, but this time, something like the V-22 Osprey: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ation.jpeg

But replace the Rotor-Bladed Engine with a Jet Turbine, like EWR VJ 101 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 01C_LH.jpg
...or the Dornier Do 31: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... -_NASA.jpg
http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~papierbd/po ... emagne.jpg

What you think?

The way V-22 Osprey is designed mostly for transport roles, especially for agile deployment of troops (can take off and land just like an helicopter, but can also gain the speed an airplane allows after on air).

VTOLs are all about versatility - that's already well-known.

Anyway, you current design can fit the appearance of a VTOL fighter/bomber if you add fans to them. Maybe after we have event-driven animation, we could have them to have their fans opened while on ground, have them rotating while they take off, and have some "door" to close after they've achieved horizontal movement (which I imagine is for aerodynamics, probably the jet can't make maneuvers with the fans opened.

But until then, at least the fan doors, or (which is best IMHO) the fans themselves, should be apparent in the textures (or if the second option is, even on geometry) for it to make sense. The way it is, I'd feel like I'm being cheated when it'd take off or land

Did recently come across Garrow Aircraft's Verticopter STOVL which struck me as the most advanced and elegant design I've ever seen. You might find it interesting too.

Not sure that would attach well to our existing unit bodies.

Your right.

But...

With little bit of Transport lift path adjusting to make it look more realistic, it could look great on Transport!

Which is one of it's proposed military uses - heavy payload troop "Airlift". (I've never been a big fan of the 2 stock transport designs.)

I second this all, two times if necessary. The current ones (ok, the borg transport isn't that bad bu I don't like it either) look like regular blimps IMO. I know that the big transport shows gas reservoirs or something like that on textures and mainly on FMVs, but it doesn't look *nice*.
I'm sure that with the right feedback and willpower, BP can make one that won't clash styles with nuffin' actually ingame and will look better than the current ones.

And then there is the following thread - (I'm sure Olrox will remember this old chestnut)..

Dedicated Aircraft Bodies

Could I possibly forget about it?
I did not forget and happened to be thinking about that yesterday (telepatic waves maybe ).
I'm still planning to take advantage of any good opportunity to work on something for that purpose. As much as I'm still thinking about making "dedicated multi-turret bodies" or something like that (but don't tell anyone xD ).

~Olrox

[Saberuneko]

I agree with that Olrox said... It's like saying that the AV-8B Harrier is an VTOL, and it has the same explanation, In fact, just hovering, overheats it's engines, if it hovers too much time, it overheats...

Also, I don't know what about the F35... but the AV-8B cannot hover with weaponry mounted... (It just hasn't got enough engine power)

[Rman Virgil]

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steak-tron is the web nick of a 3D professional artist working in the video game business for many years.

He got fascinated with VTOL tech a few years ago, did some research, talked to some buds in the Air Force, and came up with a bunch of really cool concept art that he shared and that you all might find interesting-inspiring.

Check it out here

- RV

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[3drts]

The F-35 is VTOL in the same way the Harrier is VTOL.
It is capable of Vertical take off or landing, but in practice, it is expected to perform a short takeoff with full ordinance load from a small "carrier"/assault ship/heli-carrier, and return later, sans ordinance and a lot of fuel, and land vertically. (they need less space to takeoff "horizontally", than they do to land "horizontally")

In normal use, they do not take off vertically, but both aircraft *can* take off vertically and transition to forward flight, it saves fuel and increases payload if they do a short takeoff instead.

Harriers do vertical TOs and transition to horizontal flight all the time in airshow, but when operated by the military, almost never (unless doing a demonstration, such as an airshow)