Everyone on multiplayer sucks

[Dylan Hsu]

Can someone explain why? I can easily win 1v3s. What's the deal? Why is everyone else so bad? Or have I just not met some of the best players?

[Zarel]

Meh, you know you can't beat any decent players in a 1v3.

Finding them is indeed a problem, but hey, Tib is online a lot.

[GiGaBaNE]

roumer has it most of the 'best' players pre arrange games as there are a lot of filthy lame ass cheaters out there, suprised you havnt come accross any yet.

also keep an eye on player ranks, you will know when you meet good players

http://guide.wz2100.net/rankings

[zoid]

roumer has it most of the 'best' players pre arrange games as there are a lot of filthy lame ass cheaters out there, suprised you havnt come accross any yet.

also keep an eye on player ranks, you will know when you meet good players

http://guide.wz2100.net/rankings

xD I think Dylan already knows all that.

[Olrox]

How can you say that "everyone sucks" if you haven't played with everyone yet?
You know... when you meet somebody that's been playing for 8 years+ you will know.
I avoid players I don't know in my rooms because most of the time I have a better experience by putting full AIs on their places, having fun wiping out waves of enemies.
If you play with the same degree of your education, should be really pathetic :-S

[Mysteryem]

Look for TruckSpin, he's good, he's also sometimes on IRC, but I haven't seen him in a while.

[Zarel]

Look for TruckSpin, he's good, he's also sometimes on IRC, but I haven't seen him in a while.

truckspin is acidjnk; Dylan claims he can beat him.

Or is truckspin Weedle? I can never remember who's who.

[Mysteryem]

Look for TruckSpin, he's good, he's also sometimes on IRC, but I haven't seen him in a while.

truckspin is acidjnk; Dylan claims he can beat him.

Or is truckspin Weedle? I can never remember who's who.

He's acidjnk, but last time I saw him on IRC he was under the alias "truckspin". No idea why though.

[Buginator]

Can someone explain why? I can easily win 1v3s. What's the deal? Why is everyone else so bad? Or have I just not met some of the best players?

Sure thing, the problem is ... bah, it will take too long to explain.

Suffice it to say that there are some really good players out there.

[warzonelego]

im the best of the best

[3drts]

Haven't played in a while, finally got the new graphics driver so everything isn't white on my Mac, and I'm not used to the balance yet (played 1 skirmish game on the latest beta last night), but I volunteer to be on a 3v1 vs this guy, gimme a week or two, and I'll go for a 1v1 (depending on the map, I'm not used to the high oil maps).

Acid/Truck and Mabsterone are in Germany right? I'm in Switzerland now, we should be able to all get on at the same time....

Will he accept this 3v1?

[Dalton]

Dylan, I never really see you on or I would join, would like to have some good games because yes it is hard finding a challenge sometimes. (And do you ever join other games because you have never joined one of my games?) Looking forward to the challenge sometime.

[3drts]

Well, as I type, Daltx and Dylan are playing a game.
I just got finished playing him on fishnets.
I got MG towers up in the middle first, netting me a 4 oil advantage in theory - I was a little slow to cap all of them, and by the time I had capped all of them and had power gens up, I had quite a surplus of power.
I was also slow to start my research

Anyway, I was midway through tower #2 (three total to block off the center by land), and his truck comes driving by, it might have made it past, but I also had an MG viper, and a 2nd on the way to kill it if it got past. His truck got stuck against one of my trucks coming to speed up the towers, and the MG tower killed it, I finished the first phase of fortification with 5 mg towers, and proceeded to set up factories on the middle island.

He attacked with a few or several light cannon half track vipers, I had about 5 trucks, and built some replacement towers, attack was defeated, lost a few mg towers.

Realized I made a mistake and hadnt constructed research facilities fast enough/early enough, I didn't have much more than mgs, I quickly got flamers and mini pod (going to lancer, figured it was too late to go the cannon route.
Hastily had my 3 center island factories put out some half track vipers with flamers and Mini-pods (I had only flamer, mg, and mini pod, I didnt even have twin mg), I think I got medium bodies a little later than he did, he again attacked my MG tower line, with some HfTx, LC cobras(as I was putting up my first factory mods), a few towers fell, and my ht flamers+minipods came through the gaps, repulsed the attack, and destroyed the well on his side near the center island, thought about rampaging the oil outside his base, but tried to go for a quick kill, as my first HMG cobra HfTx were coming out, my attack got to his base, but failed, my forces were too strung out.
Desperately trying to get res modules up ASAP, I managed to get hover tech a little before his hover cannons came out, but I was approaching lancer as I spammed cobra HMG half trax.
He attacked my oil wells at the empty start position on my side(with hover cobra medium cannons), the best weapon I had for my hover cobras was flamer, but I didnt have enough, knowing he'd just flee from my HfTx HMGs if I went to defend, I attacked his base.
I anticipated that he would try to wipe out my starting base as I did the same to his, but instead he came back to defend his base, and my HMGs were getting the upper hand.

Lancer was ready just as Scorpion medium body was ready.... I commenced spamming of Lancer hover Scorpions, he had already deployed a couple cobra lancer hovers, but I had destroyed them, I think my flamer hover got them, or he got too close to my HMGs.

The production speed advantage of the scorpions (and I don't know if he had researched any production speed upgrades, I had), and the fact I had pared down his hover tanks and coulda knocked out a few factories with my HMGs in his base by concentrating fire, gave me confidence I would win.
Dylan knew it was over too, and gave me a preliminary congratulations.
I said I had scorpion lancers on the way, they didnt make it into combat, but he may have checked the player screen to see they were my most recently produced units.
I wasn't bluffing, I had closed the tech gap (where it mattered, I still didn't have cannons, but rocket tech was what mattered here, he had no heavy defenses to get past), and my HMGs were still a sizable force giving me a numerical advantage(about a dozen or more?), still in his base (but fighting his tanks, I hadn't destroyed many buildings), and about to be reenforced by tanks of similar tech level to what he had, that could probably be produced much faster, not to mention my power surplus allowing constant production from heavy factories.

He conceded defeat and quit.... I woulda liked to play a few more minutes, thats all it would have took.

So I hope Daltx wins vs Dylan too.

Dylan would thus have gotten his wish to play people on MP that don't suck and don't let him have an easy win.




Conclusion:
Dylan played pretty well.
He was far too slow on sending his truck to the center, that must be from playing with too many nubs.
He always seemed to have a little advantage on the weapon tech, but the power of flamers saved me.
I anticipated he'd go for hover on a map like fishnets, and had the tech ready for when he attacked, I just didn't have a good weapon to pair it with.

Basically, I won by getting defenses up first to buy me time to catch up in tech, and by out-producing him, with those quick right clicks to add 9 to the production que.
Flamers were key... as he tried to advance against my tower line, my flamers advanced, closure rate was excellent, and I roasted him, though my attempt to press forward to his base was not a success, it set the tone and denied him an oil - giving me a relatively early 5 oil advantage, which I used to spam lower tech units

[3drts]

Looks like Dylan won his game vs Daltx

[Dalton]

I like your story and I won against him in first game even if there was an error wouldn't have mattered and then we played a second game and he won so I think we gave him a good challenge for today.