warzone on a handheld

[Chojun]

I think everyone here is arguing the same point

The fact of the matter is that it is not safe in a legal sense to make games for consoles unless you've been licensed to do so.

[Rman Virgil]

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* It's really too bad that the Indrema L600 Linux Game Console went down the drain.... that would have been perfect for the FOSS game community.

* The money dried-up in 2001 for John Gildred company and L600 console project..... Something very weird about that to me because that box would have made money... and making a significant dent in the proprietary console markets along the way, I have no doubt

* Wonder if there are any plans to give it a shot again ? The way the global banks are so fracked-up now and capital inverters scared of their own shadows it be hard to get the necessary seed money and financing.

* That said - I still think the Indrema is a good idea and would succeed if brought to marke. I also think Sony, MS and Nintendo execs would have talks with their bankers about lending any such start-up project seed capital and financing. Sounds conspiratorial but... I can see chit like that happening...

- Rman.

[Rman Virgil]

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* All that said about the Indrema Linux console...

* What about the Linux Handheld game console that's been around for years ?

* It still seems to be holding-on and moving forward to this day...

* The GP2X-F 200 is what I'm talking about...

* http://gp2x.co.uk/indexgp2x.html

* Where is the Linux community rallying support for this ?

* Or is it that it's just easier to grab other peeps work and modify than
create your own stuff from scratch regardless of weather it's quite legal or not ?

* Hey, though I enjoy working within the WZ universe and modifying to my own ends...
it is the only work belonging originally to other peeps that I deal with in that manner .... Everything else
I do in music, art and writing is my own from scratch.... though I certainly admire other artists,
musicians and writers work... However, I feel absolutely no need to expropriate what they've done for my
own sake. I prefer and I enjoy much more working from a blank slate and building a story, a piece
of music or canvas from the ground-up, all on my own. That's probably why I'm not sympathetic to those
who feel it is their god-given right to take-over the work of others without permission, at the very least.

- Rman.

[Zarel]

* It's really too bad that the Indrema L600 Linux Game Console went down the drain.... that would have been perfect for the FOSS game community.

* The money dried-up in 2001 for John Gildred company and L600 console project..... Something very weird about that to me because that box would have made money... and making a significant dent in the proprietary console markets along the way, I have no doubt

* Wonder if there are any plans to give it a shot again ? The way the global banks are so fracked-up now and capital inverters scared of their own shadows it be hard to get the necessary seed money and financing.

* That said - I still think the Indrema is a good idea and would succeed if brought to marke. I also think Sony, MS and Nintendo execs would have talks with their bankers about lending any such start-up project seed capital and financing. Sounds conspiratorial but... I can see chit like that happening...

Pandora - http://openpandora.org/
GP2X Wiz - http://gp2x.co.uk/

Both are FOSS Linux game consoles.

* The GP2X-F 200 is what I'm talking about...

* http://gp2x.co.uk/indexgp2x.html

* Where is the Linux community rallying support for this ?

There's plenty of Linux community support for open consoles: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl ... 01/0142211

[Rman Virgil]

There's plenty of Linux community support for open consoles

* I mean putting your $$ where your mouth is. That kind of support.

* That is yet to be seen because the Pandora nor the Wiz have yet shipped.

* I have a standing pre-order for the Wiz which I believe ships Oct 6th. Went with this because
Gamepark Holdings has been a viable company since 2001 and i thought their GP2x - F 200 was pretty
cool when I looked at it a while back but was concerned it wouldn't get the community support it
needed for the company to survive.

* I think it's a great deal all around and say frack the PSP, DS, etc... I'm really looking forward
to getting my hands on the Wiz. Sorry if that comes off as promotion but... it is a Linux device of
great import to FOSS gaming.

- RV

* EDIT; Frack the PSP and DS.... How about WZ on the Pandora or Wiz ?

[EvilGuru]

* EDIT; Frack the PSP and DS.... How about WZ on the Pandora or Wiz ?

See: https://mail.gna.org/public/warzone-dev ... 00140.html

Put simply: It should be possible with a little bit of work to the renderer. I can't see things such as SDL and GLC (our only real platform dependancies) not running on it — considering that Warzone (using the software renderer) is known to work on the Nokia N-series (N810), which is a 400Mhz, FPU-less device.

Regards, Freddie.

[Rman Virgil]

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* @ EG: Kwel. WZ would be the dominant, defacto, 3D RTS on both the Pandora and Wiz, IMHO. At the same
time, a potentially vast new audience for the game (and assured longevity well into the future) would be achieved at the same time.

* But I also think your work on widgets will be very key here.

- Regards, RV

[Zarel]

It should be possible with a little bit of work to the renderer. I can't see things such as SDL and GLC (our only real platform dependancies) not running on it — considering that Warzone (using the software renderer) is known to work on the Nokia N-series (N810), which is a 400Mhz, FPU-less device.

And here I thought that retail Warzone using the software render had significantly fewer hardware requirements than the current Resurrection Warzone...

[EvilGuru]

It should be possible with a little bit of work to the renderer. I can't see things such as SDL and GLC (our only real platform dependancies) not running on it — considering that Warzone (using the software renderer) is known to work on the Nokia N-series (N810), which is a 400Mhz, FPU-less device.

And here I thought that retail Warzone using the software render had significantly fewer hardware requirements than the current Resurrection Warzone...

Kind of. The version that runs on the N810 is the last version to contain the software renderer, circa 0.2.x. So it is still using the software renderer (due to the lack of dedicated OpenGL hardware). However, it does show that — at a fundamental level — the overhead incurred by using libraries such as SDL, OpenAL (surround sound), zlib and OGG/Vorbis is itself insignificant.

Current trunk versions do not support a software renderer (it was a dead end) — undoubtedly the best course of action, considering how even handhelds nowadays are getting OpenGL support (in the form of OpenGL ES). We also make use (in trunk versions) of a lot of floating point math — as opposed to fixed-point emulation. While this may pose a problem for systems without a floating point unit (many embedded systems) it is the right course of action. This is because modern versions of GCC can convert floating point => fixed point (with range restrictions) at compile time.

This is much better in terms of flexibility and performance than the fixed point emulation Pumpkin used.

Regards, Freddie.

[new paradigm leader]

OI i have already devised this a few months back search psp on general development! stop stealing my thunder
lol

[coolkid]

lol sry about that i know there was a few different threads on this before and i was seeing if it was possible to get a team of people organized to make something

http://pupnik.de/WarZone2100_N810_M.jpg

i was looking for the ds mock up picture

i will see what i can find about the legality of the psp and ds but it looks grim from that you guys are saying

one last system then ps3 let again sony but they seem to be moving into open games? or just mods like unreal 3

[Rman Virgil]

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* Both the Pandora and the Wiz have openGL 2.0, 3D hardware acceleration,

* I'm running the original renderer with 128k models and 256k textures.

- Rman