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Goth Zagog-Thou wrote:Heya, Rman. :)

Interesting development of character indeed. The first sense I got was that hes a fellow with a highly developed Super-ego -- in the vein of notables such as Nelson Mandela and Mikhail Gorbachev. People who have the capability and the outright jam to change the world for the better in non-destructive and necessary ways.

Well done, and I look forward to reading more about Mr. Hammond. :lecture:
Interesting take on your end. :hmm: Insightful for me going forward. :3 Thanks Goth. :)

In hindesight, many of the details in John Hammond's bio came from your and aubergine's comments percolating in my subconcious. :3 They constitute hooks (or seeding / foreshadowing) for later developments leading all the way to The Project emerging from NORAD with a specific set of goals... and power structure, along with a supporting cast constituting a hierarchy for decision making with a contention arising that could undergird CAM 5 as you suggested in the CAM 4 story re-boot discussion.

Still need milestone events, and rationales, in his life over the course of decades, that are tied to world events, that take him eventually to The Project formation, its leadership and coming out of NORAD, Post-Collapse.

Should also be time-lined, Pre to Post-Collapse, with everything else - the Pumpkin canon as well what came up and was defined in detail during the Scav Wars CAM discussions last year. IIRC, aubergine spearheaded quite a bit of work in this area that John Hammond's bio should be consistent with (and eventually merged to), as well your CAM 4 story re-boot timeline.
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John Hammond 25 years after the 1st cut bio posted on the previous page which ended with his Secret Service stint depiction. 25 years of bio that yet need to be detailed with connective events leading to NORAD and then The Project. Visually I've put him there at this time in his life - just shy of 50 - but the how, why and what questions remain to be answered. :hmm:

Bio, so far: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10480&start=240

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I like the last one screen. Something like news report, or action movie screen.

I like those action movies, when the screen is split into sometimes even few parts, and show what is being done by few people, one in a period of time, or at different places.

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Merowingg wrote:I like the last one screen. Something like news report, or action movie screen.

I like those action movies, when the screen is split into sometimes even few parts, and show what is being done by few people, one in a period of time, or at different places.

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Me too. :)

It's on the conservative side compared to what I do when working in Manga. But I think the technique could be used to good effect in putting together a CAM vid. Just have to get the match dissolve, match cut pacing and chroma keying down. :hmm: Cutting room time spent, in great measure, & having enough raw footage /stills to work with makes a dif too. :3
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Hrm, it doesn't feel right. Maybe the woman who we know only as "the female computer voice" suits this backstory more than Hammond? Maybe she's his wife?

Hammond strikes me as someone who perhaps didn't do so well at school and led an alternative lifestyle. Or he might have good at been sports and got sponsored in to a top uni, yet felt in his gut something was wrong with the system, then an accident laid waste to his sport & sponsorship and that forced him to see the world with a fresh set of eyes - perhaps making him an activist of sorts, campaigning for alternate forms of governance and looking for ways to build a new societal system (rather than just trying to fix the existing "sick system" which was designed to be broken from the outset).

Someone who starts out in politics then goes in to government (via any means) then switches to science is not someone I could ever trust. They would be a deeply disturbed and confused individual with very misguided ideas about how the world should function.

IMHO Hammond needs to be someone with very clear world view, backed up by his life events, and he would likely be someone that could see the way things were headed long before the collapse (hence gathering a strong following pre- and post-collapse).
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aubergine wrote:Hrm, it doesn't feel right. Maybe the woman who we know only as "the female computer voice" suits this backstory more than Hammond? Maybe she's his wife?

Hammond strikes me as someone who perhaps didn't do so well at school and led an alternative lifestyle. Or he might have good at been sports and got sponsored in to a top uni, yet felt in his gut something was wrong with the system, then an accident laid waste to his sport & sponsorship and that forced him to see the world with a fresh set of eyes - perhaps making him an activist of sorts, campaigning for alternate forms of governance and looking for ways to build a new societal system (rather than just trying to fix the existing "sick system" which was designed to be broken from the outset).

Someone who starts out in politics then goes in to government (via any means) then switches to science is not someone I could ever trust. They would be a deeply disturbed and confused individual with very misguided ideas about how the world should function.

IMHO Hammond needs to be someone with very clear world view, backed up by his life events, and he would likely be someone that could see the way things were headed long before the collapse (hence gathering a strong following pre- and post-collapse).
I agree with some of what you say and some not because, well to start, some of the dicotomies presented are not really mutually exclusive as I understand them in RL. But your dissent is much appreciated because it spurs me to greater clarification, and articulation, of what is there in germinal form and, I now realise, yet too present in my subconcious modus operandi and not enough exposed to concious review.

For example this:
aubergine wrote:....

Someone who starts out in politics then goes in to government (via any means) then switches to science is not someone I could ever trust. They would be a deeply disturbed and confused individual with very misguided ideas about how the world should function.
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He's complicated. He grows into, and refines, his methodology for societal transformation as he matures from a kid to a young man, to an older man. But he does begin with an inviolate core.

I actually modeled him after 4 of his teen heroes which I specifically declared; 2 clearly historical, one historical / fictional and one legendary / fictional.:

Ben Franklin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

Your gonna have to totally discredit Ben Franklin's life and achievments, to convince me of the veracity of that mutually exclusive dicotomy between politics and science.

And I also gave him a germinal but very clear moral compass and sense of activism and world view.

First:
Given to thoughtful reflection and careful consideration, he nonetheless sees himself as a man of action. When most of his peers are fixated on being liked and recieving the approval of others, his paramount concern is that his words and deeds be indisputably consistent. That others would know, without a doubt, that his word was not just as good as gold, but better.
That statement covers a lot of ethical ground concisely. To wit, Hammond's core motivation is driven by neither greed or by any sort of attempted covert, manipulative, excercise of power over others.

This is followed by his other 3 teen hero / model mentors as hooks to his character motivation:

Bertrand Russell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell

Cyrano de Bergerac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrano_de_Bergerac

T.H. White's reboot of Arthur: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Once_and_Future_King

These too, cover a lot of moral territory including the abuse of power, rule by might, might is right and justice for all.

If I make Hammond a total outsider and clear enemy of the established state at the outset, he becomes a target from the get go of forces far more powerful than he is in his teens and early twenties. That he would choose to understand first hand, from within, the levers of existing power, the machinations of the established, deeply flawed and self-serving system, to in time effect change, is a wiser subversive martial strategy than a frontal insurrection readily percieved as such by the VERY mighty political-military-industrial complex. In fencing, as on the battle field, it is a clever feint, aka a gambit.

He will recruit the disaffected from within the system (as well as from without, with great care and anonymity) and he will turn the systems own resources to it's subversion which is his road to both The Project and NORAD and also how he will be able to identify the greatly established, global, power players in opposition, like Dr. Reed, early on in his agenda of, if at all possible, a bloodless societal transformation. Hammond's excercise of power has to be not only clever and rationally grounded but also not in any way be possession or greed-driven or out to brute coerce others to his will and as such, in clear contrast to the excercise of power by Dr. Reed and his ilk.

Hammond's initial formulation of all this preceeding strategy, (admittedly somewhat ellusive at first), takes place during his 6 month alternate life style time-out after Uni graduation in the Southwest where he ultimately resolves to his initial segue via joining the Secret Service.

His over-arching strategy of bloodless societal transformaton from the status quo madness of empire, continues to evolve after he is shot and laid-up, then resigns from the Secret Service to go back to Uni for his post grad work in the sciences. That work, in the specific sciences I stated, will also allow him to segue into the sanctums of power in the political-military-industrial complex along with parlaying his rep for foiling an assassination, and taking a bullet in the process, as ex-Secret Service.
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Did I mention John Hammond knew Sun Tzu like most folks their bank account, to the last buck. ;)

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I will await additional feedback through the rest of the week before I make the initial revision and expansion of the 1st cut John Hammond biography sometime over the weekend. Which means I'll put off for another week work on, and posting of, Chapter 4 of the "Crude In Sur America" novella and associated illustrations, for anyone who may be interested in, and following, that particular odd effort. ;)

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Ah, that sounds much better now with that extra info.

However, if he knew of Dr. Reed and his cybernetics work, would he not be aware of things like NEXUS and recognise it as Dr. Reed much sooner when Project first discovers it's presence?
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aubergine wrote:Ah, that sounds much better now with that extra info.

However, if he knew of Dr. Reed and his cybernetics work, would he not be aware of things like NEXUS and recognise it as Dr. Reed much sooner when Project first discovers it's presence?
Excellent question. Has to be answered convincingly too. Let me sleep on it. :hmm:

You inspired me to go back to all this, you know. And Goth as well. Don't think I would have otherwise. Glad for it too. :) It's a rewarding journey. :3

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Another thing not done, which may or may not be essential, is some details about Hammond's growing up formative years. Stuff like his family and their economic circumstances. Any thoughts, ideas, on doing that ?
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Another thing not done, which may or may not be essential, is some details about Hammond's growing up formative years. Stuff like his family and their economic circumstances. Any thoughts, ideas, on doing that ?
That would depend on when he was born I guess. We'd have to extrapolate from where the world is today to the point at which he's born to gain some sort of picture of what the world would be like in his formative years. Would USA be a police state, military dictatorship, techno-anarchy? Would his parents be part of the 1% or the 99%? Will the notion of government as we presently know it still exist?

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* 2013: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political ... 2hygv.html
* 1729: http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
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Another thing not done, which may or may not be essential, is some details about Hammond's growing up formative years. Stuff like his family and their economic circumstances. Any thoughts, ideas, on doing that ?
aubergine wrote:That would depend on when he was born I guess. We'd have to extrapolate from where the world is today to the point at which he's born to gain some sort of picture of what the world would be like in his formative years. Would USA be a police state, military dictatorship, techno-anarchy? Would his parents be part of the 1% or the 99%? Will the notion of government as we presently know it still exist?

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Wow. Before this is done we could very well end up with enough groundwork material for a dystopian Sci Fi novel. O_o

As part of answering your key NEXUS question from the last post perhaps we should begin with this new set of mind boggling questions. Mind boggling in a good way. ;)

To get the ball rolling, and by no means written in stone, let's start by working our way backwards with this tentative posit.

~ 2100: Hammond is 65

~ 2035: Hammond's DOB

And then this -

Tentative Expansion of the WZ backstory Timeline: Wherein we merge the evolving John Hammond Biography and the pre-2100 Scav Wars Campaign backstory and, later on, CAM 4's backstory.

v.0.01

~ 2013 - 2035: 22 years to extrapolate in US / World Future History to create / build the conditions into which Hammond is born, his family or guardians have to deal with and which shape Hammond's formative years.

~ 2035 - 2057: Another 22 years passing which takes us to Hammond's Uni graduation. More state of US / Global society to extrapolate and confabulate with choice details tied to Hammond's bio.

~ 2050: NATO alliance collapses in face of growing nationalism and unrest in Europe.

~ 2057 - 2058: Hammond's Southwest time-out to formulate the first move of his life mission / strategy.

~ 2058 - 2061: Hammond's Secret Service stint.

~ 2061 - 2064: Hammond's Uni Post-Grad Science work.

~ 2064 - 2084: 20 years for Hammond to work his strategy for a bloodless societal transformation.

~ 2075: Nationalist unrest in Eastern Europe and Asia leads to nuclear attacks by terrorists.

~ 2075: Synaptic Link research begins.

~ 2077: Mongolia attacks China.

~ 2079: Korea allies with Mongolia.

~ 2080: Synaptic Link Patented. First Cyborg Soldiers developed.

~ 2080: NASDA (North American Strategic Defense Agency) formed to protect North America from nuclear attacks.

~ 2081: NASDA begins building satellite defense array.

~ 2082: NASDA satellite system comes on-line.

~ 2085: During routine testing the NASDA system malfunctions and launches nuclear strikes against all major cities in the world. The target countries respond with nuclear counter-strikes and NASDA fails to defend against incoming missiles.

~ 2085: The nuke exchanges and Collapse. Hammond is 50 years old.

~ 2086: Nuclear Winter begins. Widespread plagues and famines kill billions of people. Civilization ends. NASDA systems lie dormant following electromagnetic pulses. A group of survivors discover an abandoned subterranean military base. They set up home there and begin The Project.

~ 2086: Nuke Winter precipitated. Hammond leads his surviving network to the Colorado NORAD facilty, previously, and officially for all the world to know, decomissioned so it was not a nuke target like it had been in the late 20th and through half of the 21st century.

~ 2099: The Project emerges from its military base.

~ 2099: 14 years after Nuke Winter began, and the Project's initial exodus and entry into NORAD, Hammond announces it's time to rebuild civilization on the surface.

~ 2100: The Project begins its search for Pre-Collapse technologies.

"The Project is dedicated to recovering Pre-Collapse technologies and rebuilding the world." - Project Mission Statement

"From the ashes of the Collapse we seek to build a better world for all." -John Hammond - Project Director
So... let's get to brainstorming details and growing it. :)

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Not related, but I thought you'd find this interesting:

* 2013: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political ... 2hygv.html

* 1729: http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
Interesting, to be sure, and... an understatement from my PoV as in - holy chit ! O_o

There's a bit I wanna respond to with some detail that also dovetails with our extrapolation efforts here in the sense of a satirical tradition that began with Rabelais over 500 years ago (Swift's progenitor) and is summed up in the lit genre's acronym WUD which stands for World Upside Down. Synchronicty and serendipity strike again. :3

But I'll do it in a seperate post after a good long sleep. Only had about 6 hours in almost 3 days and burning the candle at both ends this week is starting to catch up with me. :hmm:
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~ 2050: NATO alliance collapses in face of growing nationalism and unrest in Europe.
What? Now you telling me? I have to rush with buyng concrete now :augh:

I like the timeline very much :)

At the same time, some deep from my mind, a voice, a female voice :P tells me when I cauthg up with the story that.. there is a need for.. yes.. you know it already Rman, what it needs is!

More female characters, even if not pretty. I believe there is a room foor strong female character and necessarily in muscles.
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Make sure you get more sleep - insufficient sleep harms the brain and body in many ways!

Would it be worth turning the world in to NWO between 2013 - 2035, so that Hammond is born in to a society that has one world government, RFID chipping, total surveillance, epic double speak, etc. a la 1984? A world in which everything, including most of nature (what's left of it) is owned and tightly controlled by megacorps. Might be interesting to explore his resultant paradigm and watch as events unfold that make lead him to his Southwest timeout and ultimately make him realise that the economics he's been brought up on are a form of brain damage, and so on.

Also, what if Dr. Reed had very similar world view to Hammond, until events such as the bomb that takes his son's legs sends him on a very different path? Maybe they both ended up working together for that reason? So Dr. Reed could start out as a good guy, then goes to the dark side and become NEXUS, but deep down Hammond has a desire to try and help Dr. Reed and make him good again (maybe something that could start to become apparent in cam4)?

BTW: here is the timeline stuff I did a while back: https://warzone.atlassian.net/wiki/disp ... t+timeline
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~ 2050: NATO alliance collapses in face of growing nationalism and unrest in Europe.
Merowingg wrote:What? Now you telling me? I have to rush with buyng concrete now :augh:
LOL :)
Mero wrote:I like the timeline very much :)

At the same time, some deep from my mind, a voice, a female voice :P tells me when I cauthg up with the story that.. there is a need for.. yes.. you know it already Rman, what it needs is!

More female characters, even if not pretty. I believe there is a room foor strong female character and necessarily in muscles.
You are of course right. :3

I made sure of strong women in Dr. Reed's orbit, The Scav Seven Nations, and even The Project, post 2100. For John Hammond, nothing.... yet. ;)

How about this ?

We make John Hammond an orphan and, initially, a ward of the state. When he's about 5 years old, he's adopted by a single woman. A rather extraordinary woman who has a profound influence on him that saves him from the direction he was headed as an orphan and ward of the state.

~ What shall be her name ?

~ What shall she look like ?

~ In what ways is she extraordinary ?

~ What specific influences will she have on John Hammond ?

~ What is her background and relationship to the dystopian world we are envisioning ?

Feel free to contribute towards shaping this character, in the same vein as we are proceeding with evolving John Hammonds. :D

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Now to aubergine's contribution which I'll say quickly I'm a 100% on the same page with.

But I wanna respond with lots more salient detail and also connect the dots to Swift and WUD.

I'm going to diner now but when I get back I'll get going on that response. :)
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My mind is drawing a blank on what the woman who brings him up could be like. Mainly because I was distracted by something else I just remembered: Could we feature "Project X" and, unrelated to it, "cut price human experiments" (both mentioned in PSW) somewhere in the latter stages of the timeline prior to the Collapse?
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aubergine wrote:My mind is drawing a blank on what the woman who brings him up could be like. Mainly because I was distracted by something else I just remembered: Could we feature "Project X" and, unrelated to it, "cut price human experiments" (both mentioned in PSW) somewhere in the latter stages of the timeline prior to the Collapse?
Mero ? I know you'll have some thoughts to share on creating this new female character that raises John Hammond... eh ?

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For sure, aubergine. Interesting twist to develope. :) You come up with more details on "Project X" ?

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