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Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 20:18
by NoQ
Reg312 wrote:a bit unreal
Considering that they are made of pure electricity (transfered to the trucks via wi-fi), i found it perfectly realistic (:
Iluvalar wrote:Sorry but it's overkill. Half-build have already half-hp in master.
Hmm. What do we loose if we introduce this rule? Well, it might be ok to apply this rule to derricks only.
ODDity wrote:my approach would be the burn time of the well is proportional to how built the derrick was. Example a fully built and operational derrick gets destroyed the well burns for the full amount of time, whereas a half built derrick gets destroyed the well just burns for half as long.
Good idea, but not directly related: the situation when you have tanks to capture the derrick is not really a problem, but the early game when only trucks are present on the map is.
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 20:27
by zany
Terminator wrote:
I'm for increasing build time + auto-demolish - would be fine I think. I dont like this "oil-hunt" too
same
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 20:30
by Berg
Would it be correct to suggest that the derrick is half build because the builder has been destroyed...
Leaving the attacking unit there a little longer and destroy the half made derrick too!
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 20:32
by NoQ
Would it be correct to suggest that the derrick is half build because the builder has been destroyed...
the situation when you have tanks to capture the derrick is not really a problem, but the early game when only trucks are present on the map is.
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 20:32
by zany
Berg wrote:Would it be correct to suggest that the derrick is half build because the builder has been destroyed...
Leaving the attacking unit there a little longer and destroy the half made derrick too!
no you can drive truck and do partial builds to prevent other team from using trucks to get oil
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 20:32
by ODDity
The notion of "auto demolish" doesn't sit well with me
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 20:42
by Emdek
NoQ wrote:Let's just auto-decay unfinished structures unless they are being built by at least one truck. If that's what meant by auto-demolish, i like it, and it seems to be the simpliest (:
I like this idea, if it would apply to all structures, time to fully auto decay could depend on percentage level of completion.
Unfinished building should start that sequence after (probably) constant time (for example 10 seconds) and then start to revert it's completion level bar.
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 20:44
by Reg312
NoQ wrote:Reg312 wrote:a bit unreal
Considering that they are made of pure electricity (transfered to the trucks via wi-fi), i found it perfectly realistic (:
okok, every solution much better than current situatuion!
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 21:50
by Iluvalar
it would not solve the problem at all if the truck rusher build them completely. They are still free hp...
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 21:55
by Reg312
Iluvalar wrote:it would not solve the problem at all if the truck rusher build them completely. They are still free hp...
"free HP"? your truck can be killed then you lost power
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 22:09
by Iluvalar
combined with mg towers, you can't attack with viper wheel because they are too weak to face the tower and you can't counter with towers yourself because they would shoot the derrick first. Hence the free hp. The rushed player is screwed enough to lose a lot of energy.
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 07 Mar 2012, 02:46
by bendib
Derricks shouldn't cost anything. Anything else is a filthy mod. If the community really wants to get rid of half builds, they should do the auto-vanish suggestion.
A delay of 10 seconds with no burning seems fair.
EDIT: Some have said I have switched sides and am in favor of removing half builds, I am not.
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 07 Mar 2012, 02:49
by bendib
Iluvalar: STOP TRYING TO MAKE THE GAME COMPLETELY BALANCED. It's not supposed to be completely even! You're going to make it boring!
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 07 Mar 2012, 03:43
by Perseus
Don't really see the point of this, thought half builds had been dealt with - they don't have as much hp as 2.3.9. Therefore, are easily destroyed anyway. Why the need for an additional change?
Re: Demolish/Auto-demolish Half Built enemy Derricks?
Posted: 07 Mar 2012, 06:34
by bendib
Thank you Perseus!