flaME -- The Warzone 2100 Map Editor [pre 1.10 thread]

[Buginator]

Flail13, another request, for the .addon.lev file, can you add a simple header like

// This file was made with FlaME v 2.94
// $date, $time
// $author

Also, for map name, there really is no need to have it like "Sk-mapname-T1" You can have it "mapname-T1" it just has to be unique.

[Flail13]

Buginator,
If the "Sk-" is removed from the skirmish names, they conflict with the multiplayer names. So what should they be called to be unique?

effigy,
Using flaME as a default program should work in flaME 1.06 when its done.

KenAlcock,
In the next version you will be able to load a map file into the copied data from the file menu.

[Zarel]

Buginator,
If the "Sk-" is removed from the skirmish names, they conflict with the multiplayer names. So what should they be called to be unique?

If you ask me, I'd say not to remove it and that this should all be done in software.

[tasubas]

hi ..prospathw

[Per]

Buginator,
If the "Sk-" is removed from the skirmish names, they conflict with the multiplayer names. So what should they be called to be unique?

There used to be two kinds of map definitions (in the .lev files) - skirmish (using skirmish*.wrf) and "campaign" (also called "multiplayer", using campaign*.wrf). The latter kind was only used for the little used campaign/mayhem mode, which has been merged together skirmish as an option (scavengers on/off) in 2.3 and later. The "campaign"/"multiplayer" map definitions are no longer used, and can safely be omitted. This also goes for the "Sk-" prefix, which is now rather meaningless.

I hope this clears things up.

[Zarel]

There used to be two kinds of map definitions (in the .lev files) - skirmish (using skirmish*.wrf) and "campaign" (also called "multiplayer", using campaign*.wrf). The latter kind was only used for the little used campaign/mayhem mode, which has been merged together skirmish as an option (scavengers on/off) in 2.3 and later. The "campaign"/"multiplayer" map definitions are no longer used, and can safely be omitted. This also goes for the "Sk-" prefix, which is now rather meaningless.

I hope this clears things up.

While omitting the campaign settings of the map is fine, I'm not sure the same goes for the "Sk-" prefix. Omitting that prefix will lead to some maps having it, and some maps not having it, which will lead to having to either deal with an ugly list that contains some maps with "Sk-" and some without, or hacks to get rid of the "Sk-" prefix in software anyway, which means it would be better to simply leave the "Sk-" prefix in the map and remove it all in software.

[franek12354]

I got question does sacavendrs neds to be a player number for example 7 and how to change map size thanks

[Buginator]

There used to be two kinds of map definitions (in the .lev files) - skirmish (using skirmish*.wrf) and "campaign" (also called "multiplayer", using campaign*.wrf). The latter kind was only used for the little used campaign/mayhem mode, which has been merged together skirmish as an option (scavengers on/off) in 2.3 and later. The "campaign"/"multiplayer" map definitions are no longer used, and can safely be omitted. This also goes for the "Sk-" prefix, which is now rather meaningless.

I hope this clears things up.

While omitting the campaign settings of the map is fine, I'm not sure the same goes for the "Sk-" prefix. Omitting that prefix will lead to some maps having it, and some maps not having it, which will lead to having to either deal with an ugly list that contains some maps with "Sk-" and some without, or hacks to get rid of the "Sk-" prefix in software anyway, which means it would be better to simply leave the "Sk-" prefix in the map and remove it all in software.

What difference will that make? The patch I did for this can still strip that stuff off, it is just better if the unique name of the map never had Sk- to begin with, and we wouldn't need to mess around much.
Hence the request to fix it.

In the end, all the game cares about is that the name is unique.

While we could fix the current addon.lev files to strip the 'official' maps of the Sk- prefix, the issue with that is, old savegames would break, if you didn't have another entry matching it.

[Zarel]

What difference will that make? The patch I did for this can still strip that stuff off, it is just better if the unique name of the map never had Sk- to begin with, and we wouldn't need to mess around much.
Hence the request to fix it.

Why is it better? You'd have to mess around exactly as much even more than you would if you left the "Sk-" on, since you'd have to strip it off both in the map editor and in-game.

In the end, all the game cares about is that the name is unique.

...so?

While we could fix the current addon.lev files to strip the 'official' maps of the Sk- prefix, the issue with that is, old savegames would break, if you didn't have another entry matching it.

...and stripping off the "Sk-" in-game would solve this problem.

In total, you've given two reasons why stripping off "Sk-" shold be done in-game and not by the map editor, and one reason that doesn't actually work as an argument for either, so I'm having a hard time seeing why it should be done by the map editor.

[Per]

Being able to handle map names without the useless Sk- is a more resilient design in any case. And it is one more line of code.

As to savegames, I thought they were entirely self-contained and did not need the maps.

[cybersphinx]

As to savegames, I thought they were entirely self-contained and did not need the maps.

They need the map. Though thinking about it, I wonder why...

[Zarel]

Being able to handle map names without the useless Sk- is a more resilient design in any case. And it is one more line of code.

As far as I know, Warzone is already able to do this. However, whether or not FlaME should be able to save in such a format is a whole other question.

Four disadvantages:
1. Two different map formats will be floating around.
2. Savegame compatibility will be broken.
3. Either we'll have to write code to remove the "Sk-" anyway, or users will have to deal with a map list with some maps containing "Sk-" and some maps not, and will go around asking what the difference is.
4. I'm not familiar enough with the netcode to say this for sure, but I think if one person had a "Sk-" version of a map and one person had a no-"Sk-" version, they could crash if they tried to play together.
5. We lose compatibility with EditWorld, unless we add even more hacks to that. We also lose compatibility with old versions of FlaME.

And the advantage is a slightly cleaner map format, and (if you include disadvantage #3) less code to remove "Sk-" in-game (I note we already have code to remove "Sk-" in the map transfer code). I just don't think it's worth it.

[drgnrdr]

Two problems with the current flaME 1.05.

1 - When I compile a map after it's done compiling the compile pane doesn't close automatically. I have to close it manually.

2 - No Autosave folder in the Program folder. It has to be put in manually and then given permission to write to it. This should of been stated at sometime. I found it out the hard way after losing a map I'd worked on for 3 hours.

If I sound like I'm complaining I apologize. I'm just stating a fact about this problem so it could be fixed or explained. Otherwise I am very pleased with flaME.

drgnrdr

[ninjatoast]

I keep getting the error "Font 'Arial' does not support style 'Regular'." every time I try to run the program. I continue but I am unable to make a map.

[macuser]

what os are you running?