Cliff Face quandary was Re: just a quick question...

[NoQ]

For a map, all that needs to be done is cut & copy from another map that has these issues, so I don't have to scroll the window to do before / after comparisons.

Heh, i'm a little slow to understand things (:
Here are a few test cases:

2c-Test1.wz

Arizona

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2c-Test2.wz

Urban

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2c-Test3.wz

Rockies

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But, well, i was also appealing to the general intrinsic taste of playability The maps i mentioned require making fast tactical decisions, but it's very hard if the map topology is not clear enough. (It's pretty hard even if it is ^^)

[Buginator]

Thanks.
(before)

(after)

[NoQ]

The second one is much better!!
//i'm gonna love this smiley (:

Looks like all passable roads on this screenshot now actually look passable (:

[NoQ]

Edit: Yeah, now with v3 beta 1, i can compare the two versions. The new beta looks much much better , but there's a new problem with snowy cliffs. They have disappeared completely

Old: http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2364 ... 008vis.jpg
New: http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9085 ... 746vis.jpg
(this map)

[Buginator]

Edit: Yeah, now with v3 beta 1, i can compare the two versions. The new beta looks much much better , but there's a new problem with snowy cliffs. They have disappeared completely

Old: http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2364 ... 008vis.jpg
New: http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9085 ... 746vis.jpg
(this map)

Hmm.. will try tweaking it again.

[NoQ]

And one more problem here, actually
Water
It climbs cliffs
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/388/wz ... 031sno.jpg
(this map)

[Dalton]

And one more problem here, actually
Water
It climbs cliffs

It's a new waterfall feature.

[effigy]

I <3 new features

[lav_coyote25]

And one more problem here, actually
Water
It climbs cliffs

It's a new waterfall feature.

actually its not new... even in the original, if you did it right - it would flow uphill... found out the hard way..

[Buginator]

And one more problem here, actually
Water
It climbs cliffs
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/388/wz ... 031sno.jpg
(this map)

Note, when you got these kinds of bugs, please make a ticket about them, since it is really hard getting caught up after being gone for ~ a week...

Anyway, I am not sure if this is a bug on our side, or a flaME bug...

actually its not new... even in the original, if you did it right - it would flow uphill... found out the hard way..

And this makes me say ....
I would like to see what the output of the same lnd file is with editworld32, if possible...

Anyway, here is what I am getting:

then the other area ...

[NoQ]

Sorry (: Done! #2339
I don't have editworld, but maybe map2lnd converter from /tools/map could be helpful?

[Mysteryem]

hao, flaME does actually export to lnd files, though it's a bit crappy and the files produced need manually editing for me to get them to work, but meh.

The problem does not exist in pre-3.0.1 or whatever it was called. I can clearly remember this problem originally, but I thought that gerard_ fixed it, could your changes to cliff tiles have undone these changes buginator?


(as requested)

[NoQ]

Buginator: I've just realized how easy it is now to play with textures, so i've made a little graphics mod that makes mountains in rocky tileset a little darker and thus distinguishable more clearly from the gravel. Here it is:

noqgrmod.wz

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before, after

I don't think it's beautiful (i'm no Mangust; he has done a great work making beautiful textures), but it looks clearer to me. Maybe some texture rework could be useful. Btw, i wonder if such mods will ever be compatible with multiplayer, or if it'd ever be possible to make maps with replaced textures (well, i can do it now, but then the map starts acting as a mod and replaces texures on other maps as well).

Also: i'm curious which parameters were changed by Buginator to make the mountains less fluffy. I want to experiment myself on it a little, 'cause i feel it's not perfect yet.

Oh my, i'm getting geeky

[skellr]

And one more problem here, actually
Water
It climbs cliffs

It's a new waterfall feature.

Barrel propulsion here we come!

[Buginator]

Buginator: I've just realized how easy it is now to play with textures, so i've made a little graphics mod that makes mountains in rocky tileset a little darker and thus distinguishable more clearly from the gravel. Here it is:

noqgrmod.wz

before, after

Nice. If you haven't seen Berg's cliff textures, I like those as well.

I don't think it's beautiful (i'm no Mangust; he has done a great work making beautiful textures), but it looks clearer to me. Maybe some texture rework could be useful. Btw, i wonder if such mods will ever be compatible with multiplayer, or if it'd ever be possible to make maps with replaced textures (well, i can do it now, but then the map starts acting as a mod and replaces texures on other maps as well).

Also: i'm curious which parameters were changed by Buginator to make the mountains less fluffy. I want to experiment myself on it a little, 'cause i feel it's not perfect yet.

Oh my, i'm getting geeky

Well, I guess this http://developer.wz2100.net/ticket/2013 explains what you can change...

For what it is worth, the water is now fixed, but might have to go back and tweak the cliffs again...