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Flashlight: range 6-12 -> 12-12
Pulse Laser: range 8-16 -> 14-14, damage 170 -> 165
Heavy Laser: range 5-7.5 -> 16-16, damage 350 -> 240
Pulse laser tower: price 175 -> 200
Pulse laser hardpoint: price 250 -> 275
Heavy laser emplacement: price 225 -> 325

Scourge: range 5-16 -> 5-14, accuracy 70%-80% -> 50%-80%
Seraph: range 5-14 -> 7-15
Lancer: price 125 -> 150, accuracy 50%-60% -> 30%-60%, remove MRL prereq
Lancer hardpoint: price 150 -> 200
Tank killer: accuracy 50%-60% -> 30%-60%
MRL: damage 30 -> 34
MRP: accuracy 45%-45% -> 40%-45%, range 5-8 -> 4-8

Note to self: Fix the tank killer angle bug already.

Mortar/pepperpot: Splash radius 0.5 -> 1.0
Bombard/incendiary mortar: Splash radius 0.75 -> 1.25, (incen) burn radius 0.5 -> 1.25

Howitzer/hellstorm: Splash radius 1.0 -> 1.25
Ground shaker/incendiary howie: Splash radius 1.0 -> 1.5, (incen) burn radius 1.0 -> 1.5

All-rounder modifiers:
Cyborg 60% -> 65%, Wheels 120% -> 125%, HT 110% -> 115%, Tracks 100% -> 105%, Hover 100% -> 120%

All cannons, all rails: Increase splash radius by 0.25.

What's the seraph?

A missile version of the Mini-Rocket Array.

It replaces Angel Missile from the campaign.

http://guide.wz2100.net/w/seraphmissilearray

Flashlight: range 6-12 -> 12-12

What is the significance of changing the minimum range to be the same as the maximum? Consequences?

Zarel wrote:Flashlight: range 6-12 -> 12-12
Pulse Laser: range 8-16 -> 14-14, damage 170 -> 165
Heavy Laser: range 5-7.5 -> 16-16, damage 350 -> 225

Range changes are realistic, lasers are very accurate. And their accuracy should be 100%.
And I think Heavy Laser should stay heavy strong short range laser.

Zarel wrote:Scourge: range 5-16 -> 5-14
Seraph: range 5-14 -> 7-15
Lancer: price 125 -> 150
Lancer hardpoint: price 150 -> 200

Searph, as indirect weapon should have bigger range then Scourge, so I agree with that.
About lancers: They are very important in early game so I don't agree. But they are very powerful so they should be more expensive. But I still hate that change.

Zarel wrote:Mortar/pepperpot: Splash radius 0.5 -> 1.0
Bombard/incendiary mortar: Splash radius 0.75 -> 1.25, (incen) burn radius 0.5 -> 1.25
Howitzer/hellstorm: Splash radius 1.0 -> 1.25
Ground shaker/incendiary howie: Splash radius 1.0 -> 1.5, (incen) burn radius 1.0 -> 1.5

I completely agree with those artillery changes. And I think all mortars should have shorter range.

Zarel wrote:All-rounder modifiers:
Cyborg 60% -> 70%, Wheels 120% -> 125%, HT 110% -> 115%, Tracks 100% -> 105%, Hover 100% -> 120%

I don't care.

stiv wrote:

Zarel wrote:Flashlight: range 6-12 -> 12-12

What is the significance of changing the minimum range to be the same as the maximum? Consequences?

Acuraccy will be same no matter what distance.

That means there's one accuracy up to the range listed as long range, instead of two.

My opinions: Edit: Oops, I know what you mean by range now, I thought it was min and max range. Just ignore that bit about the flashlight. It's probably a good addition.

Zarel wrote:Flashlight: range 6-12 -> 12-12 [Won't this mean it'll get one shot off and then the unit it was shooting will be too close for it to fire again? That would be rather bad in my opinion.]
Pulse Laser: range 8-16 -> 14-14, damage 170 -> 165 [As long as the pulse laser is long range and has the same maximum range as the scourge missile then I'm happy and there's the same point about the flashlight.]
Heavy Laser: range 5-7.5 -> 16-16, damage 350 -> 225 [I really don't like the range change here, it'll turn into people using only the heavy laser and not tactically using other lasers aswell since it would do everything the other lasers do but better, to balance that out I think you would have to put a hefty price tag on it. And there's the same point about the flashlight.]

Scourge: range 5-16 -> 5-14 [As long as the scourge missile is long range and has the same maximum range as the pulse laser then I'm happy ]
Seraph: range 5-14 -> 7-15 [minumum range of 7 seems a bit high for me, I would settle for 6. Other than that, I like it.]
Lancer: price 125 -> 150 [no problems]
Lancer hardpoint: price 150 -> 200 [perhaps 200 is a bit high, why not 175 or 180?]

Mortar/pepperpot: Splash radius 0.5 -> 1.0 [good ]
Bombard/incendiary mortar: Splash radius 0.75 -> 1.25, (incen) burn radius 0.5 -> 1.25 [good for the bombard, but I think the incendiary mortar should have the same splash radius as the normal mortar (it's not an incendiary bombard), and you've just reminded me about a bug I need to report]

Howitzer/hellstorm: Splash radius 1.0 -> 1.25 [no opinion]
Ground shaker/incendiary howie: Splash radius 1.0 -> 1.5, (incen) burn radius 1.0 -> 1.5 [Again, I think the incediary howitzer should have the same splash radius as the basic howitzer.]

All-rounder modifiers:
Cyborg 60% -> 70%, Wheels 120% -> 125%, HT 110% -> 115%, Tracks 100% -> 105%, Hover 100% -> 120%[Woah! Is all rounder really that weak?! By taking an average, that's an increase by 9% overall. I think the all rounder shouldn't be rather good at anything, and I think the damage modifiers should each be around the same.]

Oh, man, I haven't had one of these threads in ages. Oh, nostalgia. <3

For reference, a range of "7-15" means that the "short range" is 7 and the "max range" is 15. The minimum range is 0 for most weapons.

What does short range do? At short range or closer, a weapon has its short range accuracy. Between short range and max range, a weapon has long range accuracy. Some weapons are more accurate in short range (e.g. cannons), and some weapons are more accurate in long range (e.g. rockets).

stiv wrote:[Lasers] What is the significance of changing the minimum range to be the same as the maximum? Consequences?

Lasers already have identical short and long range accuracy, so the only difference is that, in "short range" secondary-order-mode, the laser will not move closer than it needs to.

13KukYNexus666 wrote:[Lasers] Range changes are realistic, lasers are very accurate. And their accuracy should be 100%.
And I think Heavy Laser should stay heavy strong short range laser.

Giving a weapon with 100% accuracy just feels wrong to me. Lasers are unique enough in having the same short and long range accuracies.

I decided to change the Heavy Laser because no one was using it.

13KukYNexus666 wrote:[Lancers] They are very important in early game so I don't agree. But they are very powerful so they should be more expensive. But I still hate that change.

Lancers are a midgame weapon. They've been moved slightly earliergame, but I admit they're a bit overpowered, so the price change is my solution.

13KukYNexus666 wrote:[Mortars] And I think all mortars should have shorter range.

No, mortars are your first long-range weapon. Giving them shorter range would defeat the point. :/

13KukYNexus666 wrote:[Re: Lasers] Acuraccy will be same no matter what distance.

Nope; that's already true of lasers.

Mysteryem wrote:[Heavy Laser] I really don't like the range change here, it'll turn into people using only the heavy laser and not tactically using other lasers aswell since it would do everything the other lasers do but better, to balance that out I think you would have to put a hefty price tag on it.

It's balanced out by its weight. Pulse laser is a light hit-and-run weapon. Heavy laser is extremely heavy. Keep in mind heavy laser's damage was decreased substantially; it's only slightly better than pulse laser.

Mysteryem wrote:[Seraph] minumum range of 7 seems a bit high for me, I would settle for 6. Other than that, I like it.

It's really only a 10% difference in accuracy between 6 and 7 tiles. It's a fair trade-off for the increased max range.

Mysteryem wrote:[Lancer hardpoint] perhaps 200 is a bit high, why not 175 or 180?

200 is fair. Keep in mind the TK hardpoint is 275. Compare the turret prices: 150 and 200; they match up quite well.

You have to realize, lancer is a bit overpowered at this stage (I admit part of the fault is mine; lancer is one of my favorite weapons).

Mysteryem wrote:[Bombard] good for the bombard, but I think the incendiary mortar should have the same splash radius as the normal mortar (it's not an incendiary bombard)

True, but incendiary weapons are on fire, so let's say that increases their splash radius a bit.

Or I guess I should keep their splash at mortar levels, and their burn radius at bombard levels?

Mysteryem wrote:[All-rounder modifiers] Woah! Is all rounder really that weak?! By taking an average, that's an increase by 9% overall. I think the all rounder shouldn't be rather good at anything, and I think the damage modifiers should each be around the same.

Well, the structure damage hasn't increased at all.

Dylan says all-rounder needs to be boosted a bit. Cannons don't have very many other strong spots, remember. :/

New all-rounder modifiers:
Cyborg 60% -> 65%, Wheels 120% -> 125%, HT 110% -> 115%, Tracks 100% -> 105%, Hover 100% -> 120%

I'll increase their splash a bit, too (probably 0.25 each). Splash in Warzone really needs to have more of an effect than it currently does.

More lancer changes:
Lancer: Accuracy 50%-60% -> 40%-60%
Tank Killer: Accuracy 50%-60% -> 40%-60%
Scourge Missile: Accuracy 70%-80% -> 50%-80%

I'm considering doing a minor overhaul of rockets: Increasing the MRL's prereqs a bit and making it more powerful, then removing the requirement of MRL for Lancer.

Zarel wrote:More lancer changes:
Lancer: Accuracy 50%-60% -> 40%-60%
Tank Killer: Accuracy 50%-60% -> 40%-60%
Scourge Missile: Accuracy 70%-80% -> 50%-80%

Please don't do it!

13KukYNexus666 wrote:

Zarel wrote:More lancer changes:
Lancer: Accuracy 50%-60% -> 40%-60%
Tank Killer: Accuracy 50%-60% -> 40%-60%
Scourge Missile: Accuracy 70%-80% -> 50%-80%

Please don't do it!

Why not? Rockets are overpowered right now.

Okay, here's my lancer overhaul:

Lancer: price 125 -> 150, accuracy 50%-60% -> 30%-60%, remove MRL prereq
Lancer hardpoint: price 150 -> 200
Tank killer: accuracy 50%-60% -> 30%-60%
MRL: damage 30 -> 35, prereq HEMR Mk2 -> Mk3.

New plan: MRL doesn't get increased prereqs, and its damage only gets increased 30 -> 34.

And let's decrease the short-range accuracy of MRP to 40%.

And increase heavy laser's damage to 240. It is 3x as expensive as PL, after all.

Pulse laser tower: price 175 -> 200
Pulse laser hardpoint: price 250 -> 275
Heavy laser emplacement -> heavy laser hardpoint: new price 400

Zarel wrote:Heavy laser emplacement -> heavy laser hardpoint: new price 400

I'm fully against having a heavy laser hardpoint. Not only do I think it would be unbalanced, but I also think it looks rather silly. The heavy laser has a rather large turret, bigger than most, it just doesn't look right on a hardpoint; almost as if someone takes a shot at it and it just breaks and falls off of its pivot. Unless you think the heavy laser and twin assault cannon look good on hardpoints, then no. The twin assault gun also looks a bit bad in my opinion aswell, but I think it's balanced well enough to remain there.

I don't think it'd be any worse than Gauss cannon, but fine by me.

Heavy laser emplacement: price 225 -> 325