New Weapons!

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Tenoh wrote:those 20 wont be able to even kill a midum tank i think >_>
Mini-pods are much more powerful than you think. Go mod the game to give you choppers, and you'll see.
Tenoh wrote:but you can always limit chopers to ...lets say 2 per player.
Limits are a horrible idea; I get tons of backlash every time I implement one. :/
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Qualifier on the first statement: Fully upgraded mini-pods are much more powerful than you think. Still nothing compared to a Lancer AT or Tank Killer AT rocket, but the point remains.

Furthermore, due to their sheer speed, and the fact that only AA weapons can fire on them, air units are already a major tactical asset. Usually, a airstrike by a significant number of VTOLs can really soften up an enemy's defenses, assuming they are incompetent enough not to cover their defenses with plenty of AA, and even then, missile/rocket-armed VTOLs will usually get their attacks off before they are destroyed.

Conclusion:
Unless helicopters were slow, and could only carry machineguns up to HMG, they would break many of the strategies, even with limits on numbers, as games would become a rush to see who can get helicopters first. Every. Single. Game. And frankly, that wouldn't be much fun. Actually, likely unless they could only carry basic machineguns they would break all present strategies. And really, which would you rather use: a wing of VTOLs with Lancers/Tank Killers/Scourge Missiles, or some choppers with MGs?
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Especially the Void between the ears of people who think that No VTOL is a good idea, and won't lead to arty wars. I've won one, and I have to say: I hated it.
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cant mod the game,no model or animation or i wouldnt qq about it here >_>.
Aww cmon,you know it would be fun to have little buggers buzzing around and shooting rockets ^_^ give it a chance.
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Find someone who can model& animate, and learn to code, like I am. I would be happy to try your mod and give honest feedback to you.
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You don't need to know model/animation stuff to make a mod that simple.

Just change the cyborg transports to use minipods instead of HMG in templates.txt.
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...didn't consider that. But I think he was referring to a "Helicopter" VTOL propulsion that didn't land. Oh, and a key vulnerability of VTOLs is their vulnerability to anti-ground weapons when landed, as well as their low HP when compared to ground units. Also, they are expensive compared to ground units.
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Assault is right but its possible to make it land to recharge weapons or.. we can even add fuel so it cant be used 24h a day.I was basically thinking of using them for base defense.
And i do need model to make this work cause its basically about looks,about the chopper it self,not the weapons.With out the model i dont have a need for a mod.
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Tenoh wrote:Assault is right but its possible to make it land to recharge weapons or.. we can even add fuel so it cant be used 24h a day.I was basically thinking of using them for base defense.
So, in other words, you want a VTOL?

We already have that; it's called a VTOL.
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Vtols dont hover and look cool :p,besides vtols in game are ugly.
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Tenoh wrote:Vtols dont hover and look cool :p,besides vtols in game are ugly.
Some VTOLs look very cool. When you look at their names they are even cooler...
But some VTOLs are really ugly(f.e. Bug with any bomb).
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Bug with any bomb is painful to look at. And Retaliation-Assault Gun looks really cool. Plus, you can set VTOLs to circle, making them very effective for defense.
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Assault Gunner wrote:Bug with any bomb is painful to look at. And Retaliation-Assault Gun looks really cool. Plus, you can set VTOLs to circle, making them very effective for defense.
Currently, it's easier (and more effective) to set them to patrol.
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Assault Gunner wrote:Bug with any bomb is painful to look at. And Retaliation-Assault Gun looks really cool. Plus, you can set VTOLs to circle, making them very effective for defense.
I just remembered. They look like ants, they can carry 60x their weight. xD
Only combinations with NEXUS and Super Heavy bodies can look impressive, with some exepcions.
And I just tried Dragon 2xPlasmite bomb on patrol.
Like real dragons are defending your base! :twisted:
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Zarel wrote: Currently, it's easier (and more effective) to set them to patrol.
That's what I meant by "Set VTOLs to circle"
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WEll anyway,i still dont see anything wrong with adding more options of what to use for the player.
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