Vtols are noobish and cheap!

[Reg312]

Seriously, being annoying is actually a merit when it comes to warfare. Also, vtols can be quite easily stopped before they reach your base by using interceptors (ie fast anti-air vtols).

did not really tested how much good interceptors in 3.1 (in 2.3 interceptors disfunctional or just weak to stop vtols in high oil game)
bomber vtol have same speed as interceptors so its hard to kill them in air
another problem - interceptos can be hunted down by few AA tanks

[NoQ]

Reg312: i think it was against you when i successfully countered your bombs with tank killer VTOLs ... on some Mero's map, remember?

[Reg312]

Reg312: i think it was against you when i successfully countered your bombs with tank killer VTOLs ... on some Mero's map, remember?

it was 2v2v2 and i could not concentrate all attention on you
as i remember my vtols got more damage from rocket-cyborgs and in this time you tried to kill my buildings with scourge vtols
hard to say why vtols explode in 2.3, you had long ranged AA on base, rocket cyborgs, rocket vtols
in another case i could just move 20-30 vtols to your base from behind, you cannot patrol all paths to your base
army of lancers coverder by interceptors is good thing, but i need 1-2 boms to kill whole your land army,
so chances for this army still not good

in such game to use vtols i need all time to clicking vtols and send them to your base non-stop with various targets
so if i'm bored with game or need attention to another things this tactics is not so useful, but still effective

if you research rockets and have not another weapons its helpful if you use vtols as interceptors,
but if you have both thermite bombs and rocket vtols - your choice is thermites anyway
so if say in your "duel" terminilogy, then yes interceptors can be helpful (you have not something better)

[aubergine]

Lancer cyborgs are awesome VTOL defence in the early game. And a mix of Scourge + Laser VTOLs working together are very powerful in large numbers.

[NoQ]

Unfortunately, lancer borgs die too quickly against incendiary bombs.

[zany]

how do you get wz to record it?

I'm guessing FRAPS or any other computer screen-recording program.

it sounded like they had put in a new way to record the game

[JDW]

how do you get wz to record it?

I'm guessing FRAPS or any other computer screen-recording program.

it sounded like they had put in a new way to record the game

There was actually a fork of the warzone2100 project which was working on having gameplay recording as a built-in feature. Can you guess which project it is?

[RBL-4NiK8r]

Well some of the vtols T1 weapons should be taken out of the game, what's the point of Twin MG's or even HMG's or Minipods. Your looking at 15-20 mins for a high oil game and by then you should have burned thru all that tech. Once your into Python body's Light Cannons are kind of pointless, not only that they have basically the same range as the tank weapon.

I can maybe see a type of Chaingun for vtols that's antiborg that's opens up after HMG for ground units is researched. But come on when was the last time you saw someone use Twin MG's or any of the basic crap you get for T1. Also HVC used to be great vtols defence or tank/truck hunters now they seem to be a joke.


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[brakenfur]

dude i think your nuts saying that we shouldn't use vtols is like saying today we can't use bombers or fighters today in warfare if you don't like them fine then just don't play with them and don't call people who use them ceaters either i use them all the time and have never cheated.

[Black Project]

This thread should have been closed a time ago.

VTOLs are not always cheaper, depending the components used to build it, neither noobish, your statement is invalid.

All you have to do is just follow Berg's advice:

There was this option that allowed you to turn vtol off...

If you don't want vtol turn them off ...I hope you read this feed back

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[JDW]

This thread should have been closed a time ago..

It's just a community member expressing his opinion, it should be allowed.

[NoQ]

I think some threads shouldn't continue beyond the "nuff said" point, for they cause only pain beyond this point (:

[Rman Virgil]

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The title of the thread is provocative because it toes the line of being an affront without actually crossing the line.

Berg cut to the heart of the matter as a bonafide solution and BP pointed out the illogic of the topic statement itself devoid of the provocative connotation.

JDW also raises a valid point. Opinions are like sphincters, we all have 'em and as long as we act descent we're cool with the man.

NoQ's point about "nuff said" is also valid as a judgement call that a mod would have to make if the discussion crossed the line into purely inflamatory remarks. Being preemptive, catching it prior if it seems to be tending to inflamation, is yet another tricky judgement call.

- Regards, RV.
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[Wisler]

VTOLS > Mafiaboss.

If you cant handle multitasking you dont have to play competitviley, but to say VTOLs which are a vital mechanic of the game are for noobs just because you dont have the skill to use them effectively or defend against them is stupid, its like a monkey not being able to complete a puzzle so it beats the crap out of it and throws it against the wall.

In any game high or low oil, you can just get a defense up, and art up before your enemy, then they have no way to beat you, the art covers the whole map and will stop them from making any if you play right, and thier ground units have to get past your spam of artillery and defense to kill you, which is doubtful.

Once someone has enough art up in a no vtol game, even tracked tigers will be toasted by ground shakes, a few GS can cover probably your whole defensive line, so if both players arnt super noob both will spam arty while building a defense to keep out ground forces. But with VTOL on you actually have to use your mind to think, hmm mabye i shouldnt cluster this artillery together, or can my tanks reach his wall before they get nuked, or mabye i shouldput some AA ahead of my wall to draw vtol fire, should i make my own vtols for offense or defense, mabye i should build more AA and try to win with artillery, since they are concentrating more on Air strikes.

Now a typical Tomato cat Game, lets all spam Artiellery EVERYWHERE yay, oh i built more than you i winz, yay.

I am just surprised NoQ would say someone who keeps saying VTOLs are noob isnt a noob, no matter how good the rest of your game is, if you cant play all aspects of it, which are available to you then you suck.

Cant believe I am arguing this BS argument again.

[Staff]

This thread should have been closed a time ago.
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Yes, it should have.

People, don't fall for these cheap flamebait threads.