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Zarel wrote: Okay. I'll aim a laser at you, and then after I fire it, you try to dodge it. Please tell me how that works out for you.

*holds up a big mirror & reflects pulse back at zarel's foot*
hay, you did say 'laser':P

Zarel wrote:Sooner or later, they'll be actual beams, and we won't be having this discussion.

the kind of 'beam' that would be derived from rail gun/mass driver tech or laser tech?

joking aside, do you know how balance would be affected if all laser projectile speeds where -1?
would rather negate any target prediction issue, would it not?
itd be pretty awesome to see all of wz 'laser' weaps firing shrunken versions of the lassat... um, projectile imho

Zarel wrote: Okay. I'll aim a laser at you, and then after I fire it, you try to dodge it. Please tell me how that works out for you.

psychopompos wrote:*holds up a big mirror & reflects pulse back at zarel's foot*
hay, you did say 'laser':P

*And Zarel quickly reaches for the stats db to make the modifications necessary to spare his foot a serious laser burn.*

roflmao..

Regards, whip

psychopompos wrote:*holds up a big mirror & reflects pulse back at zarel's foot*
hay, you did say 'laser':P

A few nanoseconds really isn't enough time to hold up a mirror. Regardless, Warzone lasers would probably be mostly unaffected by mirrors, or else everyone would just use reflective armor.

psychopompos wrote:joking aside, do you know how balance would be affected if all laser projectile speeds where -1?
would rather negate any target prediction issue, would it not?
itd be pretty awesome to see all of wz 'laser' weaps firing shrunken versions of the lassat... um, projectile imho

The new projectile system doesn't support speeds of -1. (Heck, it doesn't support speeds higher than 3200 or so) Yet another reason why I dislike it.

Furthermore, we don't have graphics for laser beams, so we'd need someone to make them, first.

Good thing all but 1 of my stage writeups are still gonna be good to go with the new AA ;p

Zarel wrote:Warzone lasers would probably be mostly unaffected by mirrors, or else everyone would just use reflective armor.

i have always maintained that they are actually particle beam cannons or some kind.

Zarel wrote:The new projectile system doesn't support speeds of -1. (Heck, it doesn't support speeds higher than 3200 or so) Yet another reason why I dislike it.

i could swear i read that someone had done it in a mod*scratches head*
thats where i got the idea.
oh well.

Zarel wrote:Furthermore, we don't have graphics for laser beams, so we'd need someone to make them, first.

the lassat weapon effect cant be shrunk to do that then??

psychopompos wrote:i could swear i read that someone had done it in a mod*scratches head*
thats where i got the idea.
oh well.

New projectile system. Old one supported it just fine, iirc.

psychopompos wrote:the lassat weapon effect cant be shrunk to do that then??

...nope. Well, even if it could, it'd look horrible.

Zarel wrote:"There's no reason why a heavy bomber should be the same speed as a light fighter (especially since bombers have more HP under the assumption that they're slower and easier to hit), which is why I'm trying to slow down the latter."

Plasmite bombs already slow down bombers to near molasses speed.

I don't think they need to be made even heavier.

Kacen wrote:Plasmite bombs already slow down bombers to near molasses speed.

No they don't. You're clearly not using the right bodies.

Zarel wrote: No they don't. You're clearly not using the right bodies.

I usually use Wyvern or Vengeance.

Hmm. Well, I'm not planning on making them heavier.

I've looked into it. Apparently Plasmite on Wyvern/Vengeance go at a speed of around 300, while Plasmite on Scorpion/Retribution goes at a speed of 700. I'll just be making them slower on Scorpion and Retribution.

What, it goes faster on medium bodies?

I thought they were too weak to support the weight...they'd go even slower I thought.

Yeah. I told you it needed to be fixed.

Kacen wrote:What, it goes faster on medium bodies?

I thought they were too weak to support the weight...they'd go even slower I thought.

no, the medium-bodies do have less weight, so they have more energy available for propulsion to lift the weapons

Per wrote:No, you are not alone. It is one of those changes in the name of "realism" that shoot you in the foot quite bit later when the full implications hit home.

By the way, we should port over the homing AA fix to campaign for the next release, not wait for a full port of rebalance, which may take a long while.

Then why not just revert the damn code so you do not have to mess with anything? It is a win-win situation! No need to fix the faulty realism code, and no need to anti-nerf stuff that the reaslism code breaks since it could make things worse in the campaign in some spots. The only problem is for the dude that made the realism modifications if they are not around to fix it then it should be reverted do not worry about how they take this personally since they injected bad code into warzone without fully understanding how everything meshes together.

-Kosh- wrote:Then why not just revert the damn code so you do not have to mess with anything? It is a win-win situation! No need to fix the faulty realism code, and no need to anti-nerf stuff that the reaslism code breaks since it could make things worse in the campaign in some spots. The only problem is for the dude that made the realism modifications if they are not around to fix it then it should be reverted do not worry about how they take this personally since they injected bad code into warzone without fully understanding how everything meshes together.

Because there are many others who like the new projectile code (and the "faulty realism") as you put it.

(Haven't I already answered this question at least three times?)