Warzone 2120 - Nexus Returns

[hjhjhj]

nice nice nice

good job everyone, good idea in perspective

I had some new

About the Bodies :

The Force of the first campaign :
light : hyena
medium : Cheetah
heavy : Lion
(super heavy : ??? I don t find a name :p )

DAWN :
light : Raptor
medium : Rhino
heavy : Dragoon
(super heavy : T-Rex)

Nexus :
light : Judgement
medium : Destruction
heavy : Apocalyspe
(super heavy : Ultima)

The structure and defense will be the same that the Nexus' campaign.

I want to add something who will be cool if it works
=> conception of cyborg
with different body, weapon and propulsion system (2leg, 4 legs(like spider =p ), wheel, and cybog who can fly ^^ )

This is the story :

While you were destroying its base, NEXUS sent his whole memories and its main_program through an underground-tunnel-system to an island (the British Isles) near Europe. In Europe there is higher radiation than in America. The British Isles have been terribly destroyed by the A-bombs and H-bombs that were "sent" to earth. Nexus began to build a colonie on the British Isles, after the temperatures had normalized. Because it was connected to its base in America, it could easily send itself to Europa. NOW it is rebuilding its base and it takes improvements on the defense. First, the Project thought NEXUS was erased forever.

This quote is not ment directly to you, but to you all with ideas:

Wouldnt it be hard to make new weapons when you have research Gauss cannon like an example?
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My idea, Nexus attacks you and eradicates you.
Then you have to research all over again, but your techs is spread out over the entire world.
You need all techs to defeat Nexus and/or Dawn.

While you gather techs you will get ''hard'' attacks by them both, but you will have breathing space beacuse they have interactet with each other :rolleyes:

Just my opinion-

[Revelo]

Reading all this gave me an idea for a fan-fiction story set immediately after the conclusion of the first war, what i write bellow is a basic idea of the plot i drew up, using ideas from here. Tell me what you think and if you want to use anything then let me know. We all know that NEXUS was hinted at surviving by uploading himself into a base. He then is quick to consolidate this by taking over the primary Project HQ and then spreading across The Project network, Team Alpha and Beta returned to their respective zones to try to uncover more about the truths behind NEXUS, the Paradigm and the Collective and as such their bases are also affected.

You start off in the Mountains as Gamma Team when NEXUS takes over and are forced to evacuate as quick as you can, with the loss of contact from everyone else it is decided to get off the Mountains and radio for an evac, sadly most technologies are lost in the process. Once you manage this you manage to find elements of Alpha and Beta also managed to escape and that Project HQ seems to be battling NEXUS for the base. All three teams unite for an offensive against NEXUS to secure the HQ. Beta team reveal that NEXUS managed to force or manipulate the New Paradigm and the Collective to fight for it, ready to dispose of them when needed. Alpha managed to do some additional research and discovered Dr Reed had two secret NEXUS facilities built; one in Africa and one somewhere in England for the purposes of having somewhere to hide when the Collapse happened. Alpha believes that one of those bases has Dr Reed's body still in stasis and still commanding NEXUS from inside his own AI construct, the only way to kill NEXUS is to kill it's creator. This ties in nicely to the Gamma 4 briefing and how NEXUS seemingly survived the final mission.

You command Team Alpha and travel to Africa to locate and destroy the NEXUS facility there, Beta travels to Central Europe to investigate how it held up after the bombs fell and to locate any technologies European Scientists and Engineers were working on which may give a tactical advantages over NEXUS, Gemma head to England to try and locate the other NEXUS facility there. You will play through as Alpha first, then Beta and finally Gamma as you try to draw closer to taking down NEXUS in a battle in London itself. Alpha get the desert missions, Beta get the Alps while Gamma can have London, that way we don't need to code new terrain too much.

I am thinking 4 campaigns could be used, the first one set in America itself and functions as a sort of tutorial and recap for the series. That one would only be about half the length of a typical WZ campaign (about 5 missions) to ensure it does not drag out too much. The other three would be longer. The mini one could be grassland or farmland.

NB: I realize with the development of the mod well underway changes to the story would be unlikely to be made, with perhaps the exception of the American one to get people into it and to use some of the original models which can also be phased out so it's not so much of a culture shock when we move onto more advanced models. Plus having a mini campaign set in America can also help set up and explain more about how NEXUS survived and hint at more of his global aspirations.

It also hints more about NEXUS true uses for his pawns, and one reason that The Project moves overseas is to try and help other factions or survivors fight NEXUS, maybe the enemies we fight are not so much destroyed as they are liberated from NEXUS or shown what exactly would happen to them if they kept fighting. Hinting towards Earth starting to reunite against a common enemy.

[HLG Dale]

i like Revelo's idea, also i was thinking that in england there is a heck of alot less oil to be mined, so they could have to go with a whole diffrent fuel source. (e.g. coal, and then you use some refinerys to turn it into oil somehow) but i think a diffrent fuel source would suit diffent areas

[Revelo]

i like Revelo's idea, also i was thinking that in england there is a heck of alot less oil to be mined, so they could have to go with a whole diffrent fuel source. (e.g. coal, and then you use some refinerys to turn it into oil somehow) but i think a diffrent fuel source would suit diffent areas

I would have thought by the year 2100 electric propulsion systems would have been made more advanced, considering how many companies are going green and how electric cars are slowly reaching the mainstream that the Project would discovered some new electric engine somewhere in Central Europe.

As for a power source why not Hydrogen? At the very least if an electric engine can't be made a Hydrogen one might be a good idea.

[Craig]

why not solar or wind power? creating giant solar panels where you will earn large amounts of power every so often, and maybe the option to create wind mills in high land or out to sea?

[Revelo]

why not solar or wind power? creating giant solar panels where you will earn large amounts of power every so often, and maybe the option to create wind mills in high land or out to sea?

Wind maybe, but solar depends on how well we expect the atmosphere to have cleaned up by 2120 after Nuclear Winter, as the sun would have been blocked out. Although if some cut scenes are to be taken into account then there is plenty of sun.

EDIT: Wait a sec! Geothermal energy! That then means you just mod Oil resources so they are sources of heat from the planet. it could be a technology to be researched midway through the game to help supplement oil power.

[Craig]

wouldnt coal also be an option, if your fighting against nexus in britain, maybe if you fought against him in the midlands, especially the west where coal is in high supply?

[Revelo]

wouldnt coal also be an option, if your fighting against nexus in britain, maybe if you fought against him in the midlands, especially the west where coal is in high supply?

Maybe. Read my above post and look at the geothermal bit. Although you are right about the west midlands bit I should know, I go to a University in Shropshire.

[new paradigm leader]

i have had a thought remember the ending movie to 2100 where the NEXUS insignia comes up followed by evil laughter well lets make it so that the project are the bad guys and are attempting to subvert europe which had recently unified under british scavengers and so the project and eastern factions are trying to undermine the european empire or something like that it would be fun.

[psychopompos]

if you dont mind, i thought up further names for the nexus (and other factions) bodies a while back.
perhaps you will find them useful?

project;
viper, cobra, python, king cobra, anaconda, hydra.

paradigm
bug, scorpion, mantis, widdow, centipede, scarab.

collective;
leopard, panther, tiger, menchit, bast, Ra.

nexus;
retalliation, retribution, vengeance, reprisal, reckoning, vindication.

i have had a thought remember the ending movie to 2100 where the NEXUS insignia comes up followed by evil laughter well lets make it so that the project are the bad guys and are attempting to subvert europe which had recently unified under british scavengers and so the project and eastern factions are trying to undermine the european empire or something like that it would be fun.

id rather see the new scav group have little to do with current national borders, but yes, i believe it would be a good story to play out as the desires of the project to create the world as they want clash with others who would do it differently.

also, id rather see euro factions end up with actual European cultural effects from celtic influence, not those of the roman plague that destroyed it.
not to mention, nobody will have much of ability to create an empire anyway.

[new paradigm leader]

ah but empires are not necessarily forged on the anvil of warfare, also The Collective were essentially an empire, all it would take is one extremely charismatic figure and everyone will follow especially if S/he gives an incentive (i.e. food, shelter, technology.) there are examples of this in history e.g. Hitler. also anyone who has a presence of authority will stand out among the scared and hungry crowds. and in some places the result of this will be hyper-nationalisation and there should be aspects of celtic and roman origins let's be realistic rome won against the celts because it was superior but if you look at europe at the moment despite the E.U's best efforts Britain is still the dominant military power in europe. and never forget the british knack for invention for it was after all us Brits who invented VTOL's, not to mention the torpedo, the machinegun too as evidenced here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_Gun and so its not wholly unreasonable to suggest that a british faction would be a major threat to the project and maybe even NEXUS.

[psychopompos]

they won through trickery.
they had no economy, hadnt printed gold coin for decades, and funded their campaign on the looting of the earlier trickery.
if the celts had noticed what rome had been doing with its various treaties they could have flattened rome without much difficulty.
since they had the domestic surplus that rome didnt, they would have been in better position to react.
with modern communication/radio present, empire building in the same way is not possible by force.

how essentially blitz'd them knowing they couldnt have taken the celts on if the had actually declared war openly.
also, the roman empire was held together through the shared dogma of the christ cult that had grown popular.

with the collapse of the current state idology, and with people being smarter and the religiosity of European culture dropping, it will be hard to pull an empire together through idology once it collapses, not to mention, where will this "food, shelter, technology" come from? likely most people will have access to about the same level of functioning tech.
and even fertile, the british isles cant support more then 10 million without the current intensive farming infrastructure.
with the land poisoned, and the then unsustainable population scaving what they can, the land will be all but stripped.
that is why nukes are scary in large numbers, they kill infrastructure, most fatalities would be from this, not being killed in the blasts.

not to mention there will only be at most 1 million or so people, at this, a tribal/anarchistic(not the punk retard from the news veraity) society is a very likely contender as the emergent social structure

remember, even hitlers troops recited the 'our father'.
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i will however conceed that the uk is one of the greater military powers, that however, makes it a more effective target.

[new paradigm leader]

ah but you are forgetting what wonders would be held subterraneanly for instance, large artificially lit bunkers that are quite frankly several acres of UV light using crop fields. infrastructure CAN survive as humans have a knack of doing so with the idea for such things to be honest the very idea of such a building puts me very much in mind of H.G. Well's description in The War of the Worlds of the Artilleryman's brave new world (not to be confused with the Aldous Huxley novel Brave New World the two are Completely unrelated) and in your admission of British military capabilities you allow me to make a counter argument: Britain would be a prime target However any factions in Britain would beyond even a cipher of a doubt be utilising them for their own ends .

also ingenuity is often at it's zenith in dire situations this could i'm not saying it would but it COULD be the catalyst for a series of major advancements such as terraforming in some method as viable land would be a first priority also remember the blasts and plagues and general starvation caused by nuclear winter means that well in truth there are not going to be many people left in any area to feed so food would last especially as more advanced methods of storage would have Undoubtedly been developed by 2085 and the governments of the world would all have food reserves hidden in ultra high security subterranean areas for future use.
maybe i'm analysing too much and also maybe this thread is now redundant as I am absolutely sure that a mod that follows this route of storyline is currently in production by black project and if I am totally honest it looks absolutely marvellous especially the new chassis frames and scavenger structures but i digress

in response to your Celt Vs Roman argument not that I'm a fan of Rome because I'm frankly not BUT even i cannot deny the Romans WOULD have an open war and in fact DID win open warfare against the Gaulish and Galatian Celts not to mention the Iberians. The Celts time ran out all things come to an end and it was not to be the last time that such things happen for instance the Aztec and Inca empires not to mention the massacre of Native Americans in the past it's all the same

[psychopompos]

ah but you are forgetting what wonders would be held subterraneanly for instance,

not many viable places for that, even the caces from extracting salt grit for the road ways in winter can be used as they reguire constant ventilation from the outside

large artificially lit bunkers that are quite frankly several acres of UV light using crop fields.

these came from where is the wz storyline?

infrastructure CAN survive

not well, and not in the face of world killing strikes from the collapse ala wz.

as humans have a knack of doing so with the idea for such things to be honest the very idea of such a building puts me very much in mind of H.G. Well's description in The War of the Worlds of the Artilleryman's brave new world (not to be confused with the Aldous Huxley novel Brave New World the two are Completely unrelated)

nice, but different stories.
the line "wars over cans of dog food" has its place here

and in your admission of British military capabilities you allow me to make a counter argument:

i admitted they at current are more then others in europe, not by much in reality.
also half the current gear is 40+ year old designs.
the new stuff is 20 year old designes, barring the integrated comms & intel equipment.
even with training, the tech the troops have is high maintenance, high failure & inefficient.
the sa80 or much i can see being inspired from it, are weapons you want in a collapsed infrastructure.

Britain would be a prime target However any factions in Britain would beyond even a cipher of a doubt be utilising them for their own ends.

i guarantee you russia has had nukes pointed right at em since the cold war lol.
they just get nuked in either the sat strikes, or the ground launches.

also ingenuity is often at it's zenith in dire situations this could i'm not saying it would but it COULD be the catalyst for a series of major advancements such as terraforming in some method as viable land would be a first priority

managing to survive & suddenly developing new nech when there are few to no lab systems left for development, and no infrastructure left to direct resources to work on them, are two different things.
as much as contained hydroponics will improve, they will still be much too limited.
and would likely be overburdened by those who where starving to death going nuts & grabbing what they could from them.

also remember the blasts and plagues and general starvation caused by nuclear winter means that well in truth there are not going to be many people left in any area to feed so food would last especially as more advanced methods of storage would have Undoubtedly been developed by 2085 and the governments of the world would all have food reserves hidden in ultra high security subterranean areas for future use.

what food?
think about it, it would all be consumed by the hoards of starving people once the infrastructure was gone.
even in the cold war they knew the damage nukes would do and how.
only 5 ~ 10 % would have been killed by the blast.
the destroyed infrastructure & fallout afflicted eco-system led to 90% of the deaths.
the population is higher now, and the weapons bigger.
reality of it is that post nuclear uk will have about 5 % of its current population.
your looking realistically, at a population cap of about 5 million without the agricultural infrastructure.
lower with fallout & so few knowing anything about how to get food for themselves.
60'000'000 (currently) down to a rough maximum of 3'000'000.

take an island that can support 10 people indefinitely
put 100 on it
as they struggle to survive they will strip it of all possible sources of sustenance, leaving it (possibly) unable to support 2 people
messy, but its the basic principle of the matter.

maybe i'm analysing too much and also maybe this thread is now redundant as I am absolutely sure that a mod that follows this route of storyline is currently in production by black project and if I am totally honest it looks absolutely marvellous especially the new chassis frames and scavenger structures but i digress

agreed about the mod.
though i believe these threads are rather fascinating.
establishing the hows & whats of what is probable in the zw world is possibly very useful if there would be much accuracy in any addition to the game that involved other areas of the world.

in response to your Celt Vs Roman argument not that I'm a fan of Rome because I'm frankly not BUT even i cannot deny the Romans WOULD have an open war and in fact DID win open warfare against the Gaulish and Galatian Celts not to mention the Iberians.

that was later, the gauls where generally from northern france, the iberians spain & the galatians...
arent the galatians greek? (too fuzzy to remember myself now)
the celtic tribes extended the whole way from albion( ) to the alps before the romans played their games.

The Celts time ran out all things come to an end

with any luck romes oligarchical legacy will end soon

and it was not to be the last time that such things happen for instance the Aztec and Inca empires not to mention the massacre of Native Americans in the past it's all the same

the technological equivalent of the current us taking on the earth alliance from babylon5 xD
also, from what i remember cortez took advantage of some native legend to pull off what he did & European disease did most of the work after that, due to the natives having no natural immunity to them.

[new paradigm leader]

large artificially lit bunkers that are quite frankly several acres of UV light using crop fields.

these came from where is the wz storyline?

not from the storyline but it is one contingency plan that has been in place for a number of years and is incredibly viable and lets face it if the US placed nuke satellites pretty much every country would be building them.

Yours
NPL