That little bucket of ideas.....

[commondragon]

Yeah, I jsut joined and now I'm posting a ton of ideas upon you all. But hey, it's some good stuff.

1. VTOL to VTOL combat:
I've noticed that you can't order your VTOLs to attack any enemy VTOLs. I'm saying that it would be fun if you could have your VTOLs perform airbattles. I'm not saying add AA to air, just let teh machinegun, lazer, and maybe cannon and missle VTOLs attack others.

POSSIBLE CORRUPTION: Taking VTOLs in partol mode, and using then instead of AA emplacements, used as to save space for more buildings.

2. VTOL sensors:
In the book that came with the PS1 version, it talks about VTOL sensors. While this will go in tune with #3, it would be nice to have a flying partol VTOL that tells others were to attack, or at least use it as a scout. This would also encourage making extra precausions in base defense, as to try and defeat these VTOLs early. However it would be somewhat of a pain to make the systems button on the VTOLs, wouldn't it?

3. Auto-Sensor targeting:
Instead of just having to scan through every sensor you have, why not set your artillery to it, and leave it alone? This would help make artillery somewhat easier to handle, especially when your dealing with multiple attacks.
BAD POINT: This would reduce the need for sensor towers greatly. FIX: Make it so the "mobile sensor towers" have to stop in order to keep lock on. You could, as an alternate fix, make it so artillery is less accurate unless you assign the target yourself.

4. AI profiles in skirmish:
This is something that would kind of be a future thing, but why not make diffrent profiles for the AI when in skirmish? For those of use without anyone to play with over the internet, it would be a little bit more like the real thing if there was the "defensive type" and the "energy hoarder". Suggestions ffrom this player: Classic, Defensive, Agressive, building oriented, energy saver.



and that's all for my suggestions. (until next time hehehe)

[Chojun]

I agree with you.  VTOL command/control in Warzone has always seemed.. broken to me.  It is very awkward trying to manually have VTOLs target things.  However, VTOLs excel when attached to the various VTOL towers.

[karmazilla]

Yeah, I jsut joined and now I'm posting a ton of ideas upon you all. But hey, it's some good stuff.

Welcome a'board.

1. VTOL to VTOL combat:
I've noticed that you can't order your VTOLs to attack any enemy VTOLs. I'm saying that it would be fun if you could have your VTOLs perform airbattles. I'm not saying add AA to air, just let teh machinegun, lazer, and maybe cannon and missle VTOLs attack others.

POSSIBLE CORRUPTION: Taking VTOLs in partol mode, and using then instead of AA emplacements, used as to save space for more buildings.

This idea is excellent, IMHO. I think this one could bring some 'freshness' to the game, and make for some interesting new tactics. I like it.

2. VTOL sensors:
In the book that came with the PS1 version, it talks about VTOL sensors. While this will go in tune with #3, it would be nice to have a flying partol VTOL that tells others were to attack, or at least use it as a scout. This would also encourage making extra precausions in base defense, as to try and defeat these VTOLs early. However it would be somewhat of a pain to make the systems button on the VTOLs, wouldn't it?

I don't see myself making much use of this, if it was implemented.

3. Auto-Sensor targeting:
Instead of just having to scan through every sensor you have, why not set your artillery to it, and leave it alone? This would help make artillery somewhat easier to handle, especially when your dealing with multiple attacks.
BAD POINT: This would reduce the need for sensor towers greatly. FIX: Make it so the "mobile sensor towers" have to stop in order to keep lock on. You could, as an alternate fix, make it so artillery is less accurate unless you assign the target yourself.

A simple version of this already exists using commanders. You might be scratching an itch with this one, but I don't think it's that big. Personally, I would rate this one as low priority.

4. AI profiles in skirmish:
This is something that would kind of be a future thing, but why not make diffrent profiles for the AI when in skirmish? For those of use without anyone to play with over the internet, it would be a little bit more like the real thing if there was the "defensive type" and the "energy hoarder". Suggestions ffrom this player: Classic, Defensive, Agressive, building oriented, energy saver.

This is currently done through mods. If it became easier to switch mods on/off, then this idea would automatically be implemented. Useful feature indeed.

and that's all for my suggestions. (until next time hehehe)

And that's all for my comments, looking forward to next time

[Watermelon]

Yeah, I jsut joined and now I'm posting a ton of ideas upon you all. But hey, it's some good stuff.

1. VTOL to VTOL combat:
I've noticed that you can't order your VTOLs to attack any enemy VTOLs. I'm saying that it would be fun if you could have your VTOLs perform airbattles. I'm not saying add AA to air, just let teh machinegun, lazer, and maybe cannon and missle VTOLs attack others.

POSSIBLE CORRUPTION: Taking VTOLs in partol mode, and using then instead of AA emplacements, used as to save space for more buildings.

I added a new 'order' for VTOL(not reviewed/in cvs yet) to circle around the target position and it will try to keep 1000 in-game units from the target position(simiar to generals air unit guard),though the VTOL can never hit/kill enemy VTOL's with 'regular' weapons:

missile/rocket:too slow
mg:1/10 damage vs VTOL...

Adding an Air-to-Air homing missile would probably fix this,and we also need a counter missile missile  if it's overpowered.

[lav_coyote25]

actually - sorry to break in and say this but... ;D  vtols can and WILL attack other vtols when your vtols are on a patrol status. and if your into fast clicking - you can order a single vtol to take out an enemy vtol - but your click finger needs to be lightning quick. 

and scourge  - when they have been fully researched  - only takes 1 to 2 sometimes 3 hits to take out a heavy body.

[commondragon]

Sorry, I;ve tested this myself on teh newest version up on the downloads, done it with machineguns, mini pods, and I think lazers. They didn't attack one anotehr, and I was doing patrol.

[lav_coyote25]

i have even seen the ai take on  my vtols with vtol lasers... amongst other things ( mainly lancer and scourge with a small amount of bunker busters).  mind you this was after 2 plus hours on a 8 person map against 7 ai. 

[kage]

actually - sorry to break in and say this but... Grin  vtols can and WILL attack other vtols when your vtols are on a patrol status. and if your into fast clicking - you can order a single vtol to take out an enemy vtol - but your click finger needs to be lightning quick.

i don't know about the latest version of the code, but i used to play around with this a bit in campaign 3 by attaching them to sensors -- vtol and wide spectrum sensors did make vtols attack incoming vtols. (though the assault gun wasn't terribly effective in vtol-vtol combat -- it couldn't take out enemy vtols before they could get to your base). i even made some mods with some interceptor aircraft.

I don't see myself making much use of this, if it was implemented.

aircraft often have been made useful for this purpose -- at least in warfare before the nasda incident, early detection was extremely vital (though gameplay doesn't make this anything of a necessity as it stands now). something that aircraft have also been used for is artillery spotting, which might be useful -- it needs a signifigantly slower aircraft, but usually gives far more accurate fire coordinates than a ground-based remote observer (represented by sensor units in wz). in modern times, using aircraft as a laser designator would have something of a benefit for certain types of homing missiles, as well as that homing howitzer tech you get in campaign 2 (although this only improves weapon accuracy in-game, and doesn't actually make the shell home in on the target (at least this was the case in 1.10).

[DRIES]

- A habor would be cool so you can create battleships and fight in the water and ships where vtols can land on to reload.
- (Re) add the mines as in the mod 1.12 i think.
- Vtols with 2 guns one like the lancer or cannon or something and the other a machinegun that automatically shoots on everything it sees, this would make vtols much cooler and it would be used more often i think.
- Hellicopters.
- Create your own cyborgs then they would be used more.
- Wheels, halftracks and tracks come to close after each other no one ever uses halftracks.
- Make researching slower (start as scavenger and then slowly evoluate).
- 2 or more different teams with each his own weapons and buildings and stuff would be awesome but i don't know this is possible to make.

ps if you need some help i know photoshop and i can work a little bit with 3D max (i'm learning it)

[Watermelon]

- A habor would be cool so you can create battleships and fight in the water and ships where vtols can land on to reload.
- (Re) add the mines as in the mod 1.12 i think.
- Vtols with 2 guns one like the lancer or cannon or something and the other a machinegun that automatically shoots on everything it sees, this would make vtols much cooler and it would be used more often i think.
- Hellicopters.
- Create your own cyborgs then they would be used more.
- Wheels, halftracks and tracks come to close after each other no one ever uses halftracks.
- Make researching slower (start as scavenger and then slowly evoluate).
- 2 or more different teams with each his own weapons and buildings and stuff would be awesome but i don't know this is possible to make.

ps if you need some help i know photoshop and i can work a little bit with 3D max (i'm learning it)

1.will navy units be useful?it seems to me there is no 'water map' and hover is some kind of 'navy' too...
2.not sure what landmine was like,never played 1.xx
3.need to finish multi-targeting(1 for 'bomb target' and 1 for 'mg turret')
4.I did some tests with VTOLH(vtol helix),they were overpowered and I didnt have a pie for their propulsion...
5.possible,just make all cyborg comps designable and remove all pre-designed templates/research items.
6.dont know how to rebalance them. hover > wheels and halftracks I think
7.research is too slow imo...
8.possible with scripts,and I need to disable the tech 'share' in mp if the game has different 'factions'.

[ratarf]

Ships would require water maps to be build of course. I think transporter ships would be cool.

[themousemaster]

I am a big fan of naval combat in RTS games  (C&C RA2 anyone?).  However, Just the way this game is designed doesn't lend itself well to naval warfare.  Maybe in the sequel ;p.



One of the reasons propultion comes down to hover + track + vtol is because the only things propulstion effects are body points and speed.  To make wheels and halftrack propultion more useful overall, you could either

A)  Have propultion also give armor threshold modifiers, or
B)  More greatly enunciate the damage bonuses of certain weapons vs certain propultions (I guarantee you if wheels got some sort of "dodge modifier" against Scourge rockets, you'd see a LOT more wheels ;p).



I wouldn't go with having "different teams" with different weapons.  Every other RTS game out there has "sides" that are "separate but equal".  One of WZ's unique points is that everyone IS equal, only differentiating in what tech paths they choose to go down.  Without that, it isn't really WZ.

[ratarf]

The different sides could maybe be done using scripts afterwards. I don't think it should be in the standard game because, as mentioned, it changes the gameplay too much.

[DevUrandom]

One of the reasons propultion comes down to hover + track + vtol is because the only things propulstion effects are body points and speed.  To make wheels and halftrack propultion more useful overall, you could either

A)  Have propultion also give armor threshold modifiers, or
B)  More greatly enunciate the damage bonuses of certain weapons vs certain propultions (I guarantee you if wheels got some sort of "dodge modifier" against Scourge rockets, you'd see a LOT more wheels ;p).

B is allready implemented. (Credits go to Watermelon.)
You can now move out of the way of an incoming projectile, so the speed of the unit directly affects it's dodging abilities.

[Solitaire]

Indeed - we can now differentiate between fast-traverse high-accuracy weapons and slow heavy-hitters now, which makes many things a lot less useless

And IMHO we need a AAM weapon... Avenger for VTOLs ;D We certainly could do with readjusting the damage output on VTOL light-arms and giving those decent ammo allocations...