the new 4.1.0

Here you may talk about Warzone's Gameplay, Strategy & Tactics
Post Reply
User avatar
budhead57
Greenhorn
Posts: 7
Joined: 17 Jan 2017, 04:11

the new 4.1.0

Post by budhead57 » 08 Jul 2021, 03:00

I dont think it was intentional but the research tree is changed for version 4.1.0, mortar autoloading 2 cannot be researched until Neural synaptic research brain mk2 has been completed. Also EMP Cannon research is available to research after Neural synaptic research brain mk2 is completed without needing to research any energy weapons.

User avatar
alfred007
Regular
Regular
Posts: 593
Joined: 31 Jul 2016, 06:25
Location: Stuttgart, Germany

Re: the new 4.1.0

Post by alfred007 » 08 Jul 2021, 12:22

Believe it or not: It is intentional. Read the changelog.

User avatar
Berserk Cyborg
Code contributor
Code contributor
Posts: 901
Joined: 26 Sep 2016, 19:56

Re: the new 4.1.0

Post by Berserk Cyborg » 08 Jul 2021, 16:52

Code: Select all

* Balance:
   * Add: Balance and add Heavy Plasma Launcher to multiplayer (commit:3426158b3e454786baac86cb036fef2441d83a60, #1871)
   * Change: Revamp multiplayer anti-aircraft weapons and add Tornado Flak cannon (commit:fc6104a28d3a9bbd8017ef5ce8549de878e22b22, #1804, #1842)
   * Change: Campaign rebalance aka "camBalance" merged (commit:ecd1a1612e73883b0d43169c169a027849c2ac1b, #1857, #1882)
   * Change: Make howitzers less overpowered / rework mortar and howitzer tech tree (commit:eeee16c751c2c5e33a4981cca7511842d7d2e023, #1842)
   * Change: Fix Wide Spectrum Sensor production and cost (commit:85963f5d9c68ef512a6f4782910d1a754892ee0f, #1842)
   * Change: Improved combat parameters of weak VTOL weapons and removed obsolete (commit:97f70c2f0d77f702b13887c35dbbceafc58192fd, #1868)
   * Change: Improving the parameters of the obsolete Super Auto-Cannon Cyborg (commit:0ad20ab65fc85f32699fc040b71e41651f5c7ce3, #1875)
   * Change: Moving the obsolete Twin Assault Gun to come earlier (commit:a11a1010c7d1336be6c303eb5deba87a9afad404, #1877)
   * Change: Raising the potential of Tank Killer Rocket and Super Tank Killer Cyborg (commit:712fa7b710bc7ad61f5f01b5dd8b25ff6d56c382, #1884)
   * Change: Make the Heavy Repair Turret come earlier (commit:7465e1b97da4a3c2ffbf4b6968f882898268efa4, #1927)
   * Change: Weaken the VTOL rail weapons so they aren't overpowered (commit:ba6cc666178fe28cb0832dbf880a9054a6d05ebc, #1928)
   * Change: Balance and move EMP weapons to come earlier (commit:405c4ba6eb13e860919925db1671c7704c465195, #1939)
   * Change: Increase cost/buildtime of Howitzers and Archangel Missiles (commit:9b26877e1aa73129e23f0cdd2fe0a03a074b0371, commit:dd4360fa2b0e36a550451ee1daa77ef92ad284cb, #1952)
^ I combined the 4.1.0 beta1 and 4.1.0 balances changes for you.

Campaign and multiplayer went through heavy balance efforts. Mortar Autoloader Mk2 depends upon the Pepperpot and the first Mortar autoloader. EMP Cannon requires the 3rd and final sensor upgrade and the penultimate research upgrade (EMP weapons come much earlier than before).

themac
Trained
Trained
Posts: 397
Joined: 17 Jul 2009, 19:14
Location: Germany

Re: the new 4.1.0

Post by themac » 15 Jul 2021, 20:32

The new re-balancing is bad. I made several single player matches against the ai on the easiest level and lost them all. Every single experience I gained since 1999 are gone. Whatever I try to repulse attacks does not even come close to what it should do. On the other hand the ai takes doesn structures with whatever weapon in milliseconds. Even the super large cannon is unable to kill a tank within three or five shots. Hellstorms, useless also. Tank killers, source missiles, nothing seems to stop enemy tanks anymore.
Last edited by themac on 22 Jul 2021, 07:04, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
alfred007
Regular
Regular
Posts: 593
Joined: 31 Jul 2016, 06:25
Location: Stuttgart, Germany

Re: the new 4.1.0

Post by alfred007 » 16 Jul 2021, 00:25

themac wrote:
15 Jul 2021, 20:32
The new re-balancing is crap. I made several single player matches against the ai on the easiest level and lost them all. Every single experience I gained since 1999 are gone. Whatever I try to repulse attacks does not even come close to what it should be. On the other hand the ai takes doesn structures with whatever weapon in milliseconds. Even the super large cannon is unable to kill a tank within three shots. Hellstorms, useless also. Tank killers, source missiles, nothing seems to stop enemy tanks anymore.
It's not clear to me: Do you talk about skirmish or the campaign? And if you talk about the campaign: Did you start a new campaign or did you reload old savegames?

themac
Trained
Trained
Posts: 397
Joined: 17 Jul 2009, 19:14
Location: Germany

Re: the new 4.1.0

Post by themac » 16 Jul 2021, 08:07

I speak of the skirmish game. :)

User avatar
Berserk Cyborg
Code contributor
Code contributor
Posts: 901
Joined: 26 Sep 2016, 19:56

Re: the new 4.1.0

Post by Berserk Cyborg » 16 Jul 2021, 18:46

themac wrote:
15 Jul 2021, 20:32
The new re-balancing is crap. I made several single player matches against the ai on the easiest level and lost them all. Every single experience I gained since 1999 are gone. Whatever I try to repulse attacks does not even come close to what it should be. On the other hand the ai takes doesn structures with whatever weapon in milliseconds. Even the super large cannon is unable to kill a tank within three shots. Hellstorms, useless also. Tank killers, source missiles, nothing seems to stop enemy tanks anymore.
Perhaps the AI is better than you remember. There have been 5 major balance changes to multiplayer since 1999 (at least that is what is said on the forum) so I have doubts strategies from then worked sufficiently even a few releases ago.

We made no changes to tank cannons, gauss cannons, tank-killer, or Scourge missiles that would result in ineffectiveness against tanks. In fact, only the tank Hyper Velocity Cannon had its splash damage removed cause it has superior range and is rather light. Hellstorm was actually made stronger and comes earlier too.

themac
Trained
Trained
Posts: 397
Joined: 17 Jul 2009, 19:14
Location: Germany

Re: the new 4.1.0

Post by themac » 16 Jul 2021, 19:06

I didn't say I wasn't playing since 1999. =P Maybe its a bug where on the easiest difficulty it uses the hardest or something? :)

User avatar
Berserk Cyborg
Code contributor
Code contributor
Posts: 901
Joined: 26 Sep 2016, 19:56

Re: the new 4.1.0

Post by Berserk Cyborg » 20 Jul 2021, 02:38

Please upload a save of a problematic situation then (.gam file + folder).

noob56
New user
Posts: 1
Joined: 22 Jul 2021, 04:02

Re: the new 4.1.0

Post by noob56 » 22 Jul 2021, 04:39

In this version the mortars and howitzers are useless, the cannons and machine guns are invincible, this is the worst version, many players have stopped playing, you have ruined this game ...

Post Reply