So slow...

[Buginator]

Here's the --debug 3d log from r5090-debug. Let me know if you need anything else.

Ok, hold off getting another version, until I can get some patches submitted.
Should give a bit more info on what is going on.

Thanks for testing.

I'll let you know when to try the next version.

[Buginator]

Cliff, if you can, get at least version 5123 (debug version) and do --debug 3d again.

That is, when it gets updated to at least that version.


Thanks.

[cliff]

Cliff, if you can, get at least version 5123 (debug version) and do --debug 3d again.

That is, when it gets updated to at least that version.


Thanks.

Looks like it's up there right now, so I'll grab it and have the log for you tomorrow.

[cliff]

Cliff, if you can, get at least version 5123 (debug version) and do --debug 3d again.

That is, when it gets updated to at least that version.


Thanks.

Got it for you. Looks like either my card or the drivers don't support OpenGL versions above 1.2, assuming wz2100 uses features in those. I'm guessing that since my drivers are 7 years old (but still the most recent according to ATI's site) they don't have support for the newer OpenGL versions. Any ideas?

[Verminus]

Got it for you. Looks like either my card or the drivers don't support OpenGL versions above 1.2, assuming wz2100 uses features in those. I'm guessing that since my drivers are 7 years old (but still the most recent according to ATI's site) they don't have support for the newer OpenGL versions. Any ideas?

Seven years? Well if ATI havent updated the drivers in that time then its a good bet that they wont any time soon. (like in the next 10,000 years or so.)

I guess your best bet would be to either try to find some 3rd party driver that adds the necessary support, or buy a slightly newer graphics card.
If you go the new card route then Its not hard to find something that will do the job at a very affordable price, something like an old 64 MB Geforce4 MX 440 AGP card will go for between £5 to £10 on ebay (plus shipping), and will be a vast improvement over your ATI Rage 128. (not because its ATI vs NVIDIA, but because the Rage 128 was meant to compete with the NVIDIA RIVA TNT, 3dfx Voodoo 3 and MATROX G200/G400).
While the GF4 MX 440 still only supports OpenGL 1.2, its raw speed is much much faster, and the drivers are much more recent (last release was NVIDIA ForceWare version 93.71 dated 2nd Nov 2006.)




Model                      Year    System
Bus Type        Memory
(max MiB)  Core clock
(max MHz)  Memory clock 
(max MHz)Fillrate
(max MT/s)  Bandwidth
(max GB/s)  Memory
Bus type      Bus width 
(bits)DirectX  OpenGL 
Rage 128 VR1998 AGP,PCI 32 90 90 180 0.72 SDR 64 61.2
Rage 128 GL 1998 AGP,PCI 32 103 103 206 1.65 SDR1286 1.2
Rage 128 Pro 1999 AGP,PCI 32 125 143 250 2.28 SDR 128 6 1.2
GeForce4 MX 420 2002 AGP 4x 64 250 166 1000 2.7 SDR 64 7 1.2
GeForce4 MX 440SE 2002 AGP 4x, PCI 64 250 333 1100 2.7,5.3 SDR, DDR 64,128 7 1.2
GeForce4 MX 440 2002 AGP 4x, PCI 64 270 400 1100 6.4 DDR 128 7 1.2
GeForce4 MX 440 8x 2002 AGP 8x 128 275 513 1100 8.2DDR 128 7 1.2
GeForce4 MX 460 2002 AGP 4x 64 300 550 1200 8.8 DDR 128 7 1.2
Taken and modified from wikipedia; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison ... sing_Units , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison ... sing_units


note: doing tables in forum post is blood hard work!

[Buginator]

Got it for you. Looks like either my card or the drivers don't support OpenGL versions above 1.2, assuming wz2100 uses features in those. I'm guessing that since my drivers are 7 years old (but still the most recent according to ATI's site) they don't have support for the newer OpenGL versions. Any ideas?

I am not quite sure which call we use that is >openGL 1.2, but I will check.

Of course, the best thing is to get a new gfx card, something made in the last couple of years would be best.
You can get some pretty high end cards for under $100.  I even saw some 8800 cards going for $40(AR), but I assume you need AGP.
That is a bit tougher to find.
If you go that route, then please check here first before buying, and we can check which version of openGL (and DX for that matter) it supports.

[Verminus]

Hmm... APG cards can be a bit hard to find these days...

...just maybe...

*Verminus digs around in his odd bits and spares box*

Ah ha!! Found some APG cards:

• GeForce 2 MX-400 w/ 64MB from 3dPower
• GeForce FX 5700 w/ 256MB from BFG Tech.
• GeForce 6800 GT w/ 256MB from XFX
• GeForce 6800 XT w/ 512MB from XFX

No wonder no one can find any APG cards, there all sitting in my bedroom collecting dust!
I should probably think about selling some of these some day...

or at least putting them in a system, I got enough bits lying round here to build at least 2 full computers...

[Buginator]

Hmm... APG cards can be a bit hard to find these days...

...just maybe...

*Verminus digs around in his odd bits and spares box*

Ah ha!! Found some APG cards:

• GeForce 2 MX-400 w/ 64MB from 3dPower
• GeForce FX 5700 w/ 256MB from BFG Tech.
• GeForce 6800 GT w/ 256MB from XFX
• GeForce 6800 XT w/ 512MB from XFX

No wonder no one can find any APG cards, there all sitting in my bedroom collecting dust!
I should probably think about selling some of these some day...

or at least putting them in a system, I got enough bits lying round here to build at least 2 full computers...

Lol.  You do have a assortment of cards, I am sure people on fleabay would love em!  ;D


Cliff, I don't see any call we are doing that is specific to 1.3, so going to try something else.
Can you get this program: http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/download.html
And then do the render tests (all)?
Then after that, goto Report, and it will show something like: (scroll down a bit)
Core features
v1.1 (100 % - 7/7)
v1.2 (100 % - 8/8)
v1.3 (100 % - 9/9)
v1.4 (100 % - 15/15)
v1.5 (100 % - 3/3)
v2.0 (100 % - 10/10)
v2.1 (100 % - 3/3)

Just highlite that area, and hit ctrl-c to copy to clipboard, then you can paste that info here via ctrl-v.

[cliff]

Lol.  You do have a assortment of cards, I am sure people on fleabay would love em!  ;D


Cliff, I don't see any call we are doing that is specific to 1.3, so going to try something else.
Can you get this program: http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/download.html
And then do the render tests (all)?
Then after that, goto Report, and it will show something like: (scroll down a bit)
Core features
v1.1 (100 % - 7/7)
v1.2 (100 % - 8/8)
v1.3 (100 % - 9/9)
v1.4 (100 % - 15/15)
v1.5 (100 % - 3/3)
v2.0 (100 % - 10/10)
v2.1 (100 % - 3/3)

Just highlite that area, and hit ctrl-c to copy to clipboard, then you can paste that info here via ctrl-v.

Sure, I've got it downloaded to a flash drive and I'll have the results tomorrow. About the card, yes, it's about 8 or 9 years old and now unsupported by ATI because it's so old. What I don't understand is why other people have the same slowness problem and have much more recent cards, which would most likely support newer OpenGL versions.

[Buginator]

Sure, I've got it downloaded to a flash drive and I'll have the results tomorrow. About the card, yes, it's about 8 or 9 years old and now unsupported by ATI because it's so old. What I don't understand is why other people have the same slowness problem and have much more recent cards, which would most likely support newer OpenGL versions.

For what it is worth, usually, if they are getting slow performance from this game, then it is either hardware don't support something, or that the drivers are not that good, and are falling back to software mode.  It can also be drivers installed wrong (Usually this is the case for linux people).

Other than that, any card that was made in the last 4 years should work fine for now.

Integrated gfx chipsets (intel & S3) seem to be the worst, everyone has issues with their rotten support.  At least it is getting a bit better, but still has a way to go to match what a dedicated gfx card can do.  For laptops, I would avoid 98% of them.

[cliff]

Lol.  You do have a assortment of cards, I am sure people on fleabay would love em!  ;D


Cliff, I don't see any call we are doing that is specific to 1.3, so going to try something else.
Can you get this program: http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/download.html
And then do the render tests (all)?
Then after that, goto Report, and it will show something like: (scroll down a bit)
Core features
v1.1 (100 % - 7/7)
v1.2 (100 % - 8/8)
v1.3 (100 % - 9/9)
v1.4 (100 % - 15/15)
v1.5 (100 % - 3/3)
v2.0 (100 % - 10/10)
v2.1 (100 % - 3/3)

Just highlite that area, and hit ctrl-c to copy to clipboard, then you can paste that info here via ctrl-v.

Here you go.

Core features
v1.1 (100 % - 7/7)
v1.2 (100 % - 8/8)
v1.3 (44 % - 4/9)
v1.4 (26 % - 4/15)
v1.5 (0 % - 0/3)
v2.0 (0 % - 0/10)
v2.1 (0 % - 0/3)

I've got the entire report with me if you need it. Also, if you need anything else, let me know.

[Buginator]

Here you go.

Core features
v1.1 (100 % - 7/7)
v1.2 (100 % - 8/8)
v1.3 (44 % - 4/9)
v1.4 (26 % - 4/15)
v1.5 (0 % - 0/3)
v2.0 (0 % - 0/10)
v2.1 (0 % - 0/3)

I've got the entire report with me if you need it. Also, if you need anything else, let me know.

Can you post the ones that fail for 1.3 ?
Thanks!

[cliff]

Can you post the ones that fail for 1.3 ?
Thanks!

Sure, I'll have that tomorrow. The huge text report I've got with me doesn't have it broken down into separate categories, so it wouldn't be helpful to post that.

[Buginator]

Sure, I'll have that tomorrow. The huge text report I've got with me doesn't have it broken down into separate categories, so it wouldn't be helpful to post that.

Just take a screen shot when you expand everything.  That is good enough.

[cliff]

Alright, here's a list of all unsupported GL extensions, sorted by version.

Code: Select all

unsupported

1.3

GL_ARB_multisample
GL_ARB_texture_compression
GL_ARB_texture_cube_map
GL_ARB_texture_env_combine
GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3

1.4

GL_ARB_depth_texture
GL_ARB_point_parameters
GL_ARB_shadow
GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar
GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat
GL_EXT_blend_color
GL_EXT_blend_func_separate
GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays
GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias
GL_NV_blend_square
GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap

1.5

GL_ARB_occlusion_query
GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object
GL_EXT_shadow_funcs

2.0

shading language version 1.10
GL_ARB_draw_buffers
GL_ARB_fragment_shader
GL_ARB_point_sprite
GL_ARB_shader_objects
GL_ARB_shading_language_100
GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two
GL_ARB_texture_shader
GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate
GL_EXT_stencil_two_side

2.1

shading language version 1.20
GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object
GL_EXT_texture_sRGB

Let me know if you need anything else.