Flamer Upgrade?

[BaseCommanderPye]

Hey, there's an issue I've been having with the Flamer units on Warzone, especially when starting out in a new campaign. One BIG issue is that the Flamer units are practically useless as they do not fire while moving. Is there anything anyone could do about this?

[JDW]

Oh yeah, never really noticed that until you mentioned it now.. However, I did come across this tidbit on Wikipedia,

Flamethrowers pose many risks to the operator. The first disadvantage was the weapon's weight, which impairs the soldier's mobility....

NOTE: Wikipedia material should not be considered as a reliable source.


Although WZ2100 can have it anyway they like, since it's only a game and not a war simulation. But i do like them as they are, handicapped with lesser mobility.

[Ubermad]

flamer cyborgs can fire while moving. but of course you don't have cyborgs in the beginning of the campain...

[BaseCommanderPye]

Oh yeah, never really noticed that until you mentioned it now.. However, I did come across this tidbit on Wikipedia,

Flamethrowers pose many risks to the operator. The first disadvantage was the weapon's weight, which impairs the soldier's mobility....

NOTE: Wikipedia material should not be considered as a reliable source.


Although WZ2100 can have it anyway they like, since it's only a game and not a war simulation. But i do like them as they are, handicapped with lesser mobility.

Well, see. The problem is that if I do produce flamer tanks, by the time they actually do get into position to fire, they're destroyed before they can get off a single shot.
The only way they could be effective is if I had an army of them...

[Zarel]

Have you tried using a single MG tank?

All weapons are useless unless you have an army of them.

[JDW]

The only way they could be effective is if I had an army of them...

In case of cyborgs, you definitely need an army of them, not even a small group of cyborgs would stand a chance. For a more clearer picture, watch this video by Daltx,
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDaltx#p/u/1/HlzHoAxCItk

[kringled]

The current balance differences between campaign and skirmish/MP also tend to make flamers useless in campaign. In campaign, flamers have a very low fire rate. When you combine a low fire rate, very short range, and a weapon that doesn't do a huge amount of damage per shot, you have a recipe for a unit that spends most of it's time as a target. I use flamers all the time in skirmish, and never in campaign.

Keith

[BaseCommanderPye]

Ok, what I'm getting at with this is that I like to have an army of mixed units. For example say... a group of six MG units and four Flamer units instead of a massive army all of one unit. I would like to see my Flamers burning enemy units and structures as they move along with my MG units.
As to the post earlier about Flamers being bulky and heavy, has anyone had a look at the Inferno Flamer? That can fire while the tank is moving and I gaurantee that the Inferno is much heavier than the little Flamer you get at the beginning of the campaign.

[Zarel]

None of the flamers are heavy...

[Verin]

The only way they could be effective is if I had an army of them...

In case of cyborgs, you definitely need an army of them, not even a small group of cyborgs would stand a chance. For a more clearer picture, watch this video by Daltx,
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDaltx#p/u/1/HlzHoAxCItk

That video is completely inaccurate. no one would attack a base with scourges.

[Dalton]

w/e do what you like....

[Zarel]

It's also inaccurate because the Scourges are brought to close range. Scourges are best at long range.

Although the "terrible against structures" thing comes to mind.

[Verin]

From what ive seen in the damage tables, scourges would do little (but some) damage to structures while flamers would do better vs the emplacements. although the hardpoints would only be receiving 10% of the flamer damage.

If i had known my enemies have created a defense like that, I would usually have a 2/3 flamer to cannon army of borgs. or just ignore the defense completely and go for the factories.

A lot of my playing style is based on others most commonly used weapons. An army of cyborgs tends to do well because of how small they are, more guns per tile is the way i like to think of it. it also helps that they have high resistance to all rounders, and awesome resistance vs rockets. Most of which i find in a standard defense.