I think that even i had explained enough in this thread. Ok, i repeat again if you want.
Spoiler:
The F. guy knew that the D. guy will not be allowed to participate in the tourney (as well as any activity related to the official website, due to permanent ban) several months before the tourney. This warning sounds perfectly reasonable for me, considering how large the well-known (and described above) amount of sin on the D. guy's head is. But the F. guy decided that he will allow the D. guy to participate and keep behaving as if nothing happens, hoping that admins simply sort of don't see that. And the D. guy decided to participate as well, knowing that it will lead to breaking the tourney even better than the F. guy, and he seems to enjoy what happened (probably even had this in mind from the very beginning), as much as he seems to enjoy annoying the game developers in every possible way after his ban for posting porn, making sure he will never be allowed to return. Once noticed, the admins asked the F. guy to exclude the D. guy, and there was absolutely nothing unexpected in that. And then the F. guy didn't comply. Thus, there was no other option but to discontinue the support for the tourney.
This is the complete info i'm aware of, based on my talking to both sides' representatives. Is there anything new in this? I think i already told most of it in my posts in this thread.
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 17:13
by Iluvalar
Thank you NoQ.
NoQ wrote:I think i already told most of it in my posts in this thread.
Well, I don't see it here, nor in any thread that is public. unless you could point me it ?
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 17:18
by NoQ
Emm sorry, maybe not in #4 in fact after all Anyway, i'm sure i said things like "he was warned many months ago" etc ...
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 17:28
by Per
Iluvalar wrote:So nothing wrong that deserve an explanation happened in that topic ?
You had the explanation available for days before the whole thread was deleted.
If you have idea of what happened, see NoQ's explanation. But if you think you can engage staff in a public debate over particular moderation decisions, then you are wrong. It does not, and cannot, work that way.
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 17:52
by Lord Apocalypse
As I have seen, and as it should be. Admin/Mods debate other Admin/Mods. Users take up discussion with said Admin/Mods against actions, though these discussions quickly attract trolls and flamers.
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 19:12
by Paul
those who are observant saw the writing on the wall and the fallout became evident today.
to the rest of the brown nosers in this thread way to go asswipes.
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 21:33
by Iluvalar
Per wrote: But if you think you can engage staff in a public debate over particular moderation decisions, then you are wrong. It does not, and cannot, work that way.
You are right on this one. It can't work this way.
Either :
A) Moderators act with a behavior that is not subject to debate.
B) You use dictatorship and hide informations to people.
I'm not debating about the decision to stop the tournament. And if you read correctly, I don't believe zydonk do it either. I don't care about D. at all. And I dont care about the tournament I was not even in it. I'm complaining about the way the decision was executed : Trough censorship.
I don't know were you come from, but in my culture, it's widely accepted that the rare benefits from censorship do not worth to accept it existence in the first place. I will not even argue about if it was right or not in this case, I'm complaining it's wrong all the way around.
I hope you understand that.
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 23:54
by Per
Iluvalar wrote:I hope you understand that.
Yes. Your concern has been noted.
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 11:52
by Reg312
from my point of view problem was in lack of justification, but NoQ managed to formulate this justification
we are bad guys from tournament's organizers and we bypassed the rules
turned to dark side and twisted by D. guy
Spoiler:
small note:
NoQ wrote:Thus, there was no other option but to discontinue the support for the tourney.
i did not see any support, all "support" is allowing to create thread on forum with tournament's result
also i don't understand why game developers can dictate the rules of how to play and what players able to play
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 12:04
by zydonk
Iluvalar: It was the way in which the decision was announced that irked me. Even then, I could see there was justification for the shut down, though I would have been happier with a more explicit explanation.
The point now is to see that this kind of high handed behaviour doesn't happen again. As Per argues, we can't change the past, only learn from it.
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 13:35
by Andrie
NoQ wrote:
Spoiler:
The F. guy knew that the D. guy will not be allowed to participate in the tourney (as well as any activity related to the official website, due to permanent ban) several months before the tourney. This warning sounds perfectly reasonable for me, considering how large the well-known (and described above) amount of sin on the D. guy's head is. But the F. guy decided that he will allow the D. guy to participate and keep behaving as if nothing happens, hoping that admins simply sort of don't see that. And the D. guy decided to participate as well, knowing that it will lead to breaking the tourney even better than the F. guy, and he seems to enjoy what happened (probably even had this in mind from the very beginning), as much as he seems to enjoy annoying the game developers in every possible way after his ban for posting porn, making sure he will never be allowed to return. Once noticed, the admins asked the F. guy to exclude the D. guy, and there was absolutely nothing unexpected in that. And then the F. guy didn't comply. Thus, there was no other option but to discontinue the support for the tourney.
Interesting story. Bad fight.
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 18:16
by NoQ
allowing to create thread on forum with tournament's result
Yeah, that's sort of enough. It was known that such thread will only be allowed if certain conditions are fulfilled.
why game developers can dictate the rules of how to play and what players able to play
They don't. You still play, right? Only the forum thread part was affected.
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 18:37
by Reg312
NoQ wrote:
why game developers can dictate the rules of how to play and what players able to play
They don't. You still play, right? Only the forum thread part was affected.
technically is harder/impossible to disallow people to play warzone
Spoiler:
1. "they" demanded to remove him from tounament, not just from lists on forum
we suggested rename him to <banned> or something like that
2. mr.D said his name also banned in lobby, he cannot create hosts under his D-name
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 19:23
by Paul
Reg312 wrote:
2. mr.D said his name also banned in lobby, he cannot create hosts under his D-name
Don't post messages for banned individuals. Don't hack into any part of the site.
now we know who is hacking the site and we also know you are willingly breaking the rules, yet this thread remains.
Re: Power #4 Paranoia
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 22:20
by Giani
Paul wrote:
Reg312 wrote:
2. mr.D said his name also banned in lobby, he cannot create hosts under his D-name
Don't post messages for banned individuals. Don't hack into any part of the site.
now we know who is hacking the site...
What? Nobody hacked the site. It was being improved.
Anyway, i'm sure i said things like "he was warned many months ago" etc ...
