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Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 18 Jan 2013, 15:45
by NoQ
Cheating on 3.1 is pretty hard; i know of no that much significant exploits yet. Most likely you just wasn't playing well enough, and/or misunderstood his explanation (?)

hypothetical cheating

Posted: 19 Jan 2013, 06:19
by Iluvalar
NoQ wrote:Cheating on 3.1 is pretty hard; i know of no that much significant exploits yet.
Because I don't want you to know how. This little talk just gave me yet another idea how I could cheat. But I'm kind enough to keep all that for me until now :) .

But you must expect cheats appearing in the game. As Rc3 last long enough to worth playing with the source code. 3.1 will most likely have cheaters soon. It will only be just a bit less obvious than giving you 100'000 power at start.

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 19 Jan 2013, 06:37
by bendib
NoQ wrote:Cheating on 3.1 is pretty hard
Because most things are calculated on the client side rather than you being told when to blow something up by your enemy's version.,
You give an order, the game does the rest on both ends. This is good IMHO.

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 19 Jan 2013, 12:36
by Per
Iluvalar wrote:This little talk just gave me yet another idea how I could cheat. But I'm kind enough to keep all that for me until now
Why not share it with us developers, at least, so we can fix it? O_o

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 19 Jan 2013, 21:19
by Reg312
Per wrote:
Iluvalar wrote:This little talk just gave me yet another idea how I could cheat. But I'm kind enough to keep all that for me until now
Why not share it with us developers, at least, so we can fix it? O_o
i think player can use "whole map sensor/deity" without breaking synch, not sure :)

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 07:02
by Iluvalar
Per wrote:
Iluvalar wrote:This little talk just gave me yet another idea how I could cheat. But I'm kind enough to keep all that for me until now
Why not share it with us developers, at least, so we can fix it? O_o
Maybe because I can't play that game because it crash so I don't give a *** .
Maybe because I would require a total rewrite of the entire code and I know you don't have the manpower for this.
Maybe when I not only report a bug but also give you the patch, you don't even care merging it.
Maybe I already told cyp about some issues on IRC anyway.
Maybe many of your changes actually facilitate cheats instead of hindering it.

Maybe it's a bit of the five.

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 08:20
by Originway
Iluvalar wrote:
Per wrote:
Iluvalar wrote:This little talk just gave me yet another idea how I could cheat. But I'm kind enough to keep all that for me until now
Why not share it with us developers, at least, so we can fix it? O_o
Maybe because I can't play that game because it crash so I don't give a *** .
Maybe because I would require a total rewrite of the entire code and I know you don't have the manpower for this.
Maybe when I not only report a bug but also give you the patch, you don't even care merging it.
Maybe I already told cyp about some issues on IRC anyway.
Maybe many of your changes actually facilitate cheats instead of hindering it.

Maybe it's a bit of the five.
why does it crash? video card?

Oil barrels

Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 10:40
by Reg312
Iluvalar wrote: Why not share it with us developers, at least, so we can fix it? O_o
My God, Iluvalar, upgrade your hardware!! do it if you ever loved warzone. :augh: :augh: :augh: :augh:
dont be ass, but devs can being asses because they do work... :wink:

i'm actually dont believe cheats are possible in 3.1

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 18:09
by Iluvalar
Reg312 wrote:i'm actually dont believe cheats are possible in 3.1
Why do you strand in the realm of "beliefs" ? I'm telling you facts.

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 18:49
by Reg312
Iluvalar wrote:
Reg312 wrote:i'm actually dont believe cheats are possible in 3.1
Why do you strand in the realm of "beliefs" ? I'm telling you facts.
i debugged and tested synch code, so i dont see how is possible to cheat , pls explain

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 19:37
by Originway
what kind of cheats are we talking about?
power? unit? vision? score?

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 19:49
by Iluvalar
Reg312 wrote:
Iluvalar wrote:
Reg312 wrote:i'm actually dont believe cheats are possible in 3.1
Why do you strand in the realm of "beliefs" ? I'm telling you facts.
pls explain
I wont ! You know how it work, if I publicly say how, all the cheaters will instantly know what they have to do.

When I'll start to ear about players who are obviously cheating, I'll tell you how they do it so you can start to survey the signs (even if there is very few). But for now, the best protection is still not telling anybody what I know.

I hope you understand that.

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 19:55
by Originway
Iluvalar wrote:
Reg312 wrote:
Iluvalar wrote:
Reg312 wrote:i'm actually dont believe cheats are possible in 3.1
Why do you strand in the realm of "beliefs" ? I'm telling you facts.
pls explain
I wont ! You know how it work, if I publicly say how, all the cheaters will instantly know what they have to do.

When I'll start to ear about players who are obviously cheating, I'll tell you how they do it so you can start to survey the signs (even if there is very few). But for now, the best protection is still not telling anybody what I know.

I hope you understand that.
ok so you don't want to tell everyone in public which is cool
but not telling the devs?
they said you can do a PM to the staff account or email them?

Oil barrels

Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 22:16
by Iluvalar
The code was not intended for the new synch mechanism implemented in 3.x . They would need to rewrite it from the base. Sure it prevent power cheat, but there is a lot more possibilities around. Some new one that where not in 2.3.9 .

That's sad, but it's the life.. there is games and there is cheaters. There is very few you can do about it. I'm just here to break the myth that you can't cheat in 3.1 . That's totally false. It still possible.

Re: Oil barrels

Posted: 20 Jan 2013, 22:29
by Reg312
Iluvalar wrote:That's sad, but it's the life.. there is games and there is cheaters. There is very few you can do about it. I'm just here to break the myth that you can't cheat in 3.1 . That's totally false. It still possible.
Are you sure this myth should be broken and this is good move?
I think its impossible to protect from cheats for such open-source project like Warzone, but devs just did effective solution.