Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Discuss the future of Warzone 2100 with us.

Should the Windows installer include the MSVC Redist?

Yes, support new players!
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No, save download size!
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I don't care...
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Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by DevUrandom » 09 Sep 2006, 13:12

Some of our older players mourned that they had to download additional 10MB, because the Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable Package is now included in the Windows installer of Warzone 2100.
I did this to support newer players who do not yet have the MSVC Redist.

What do you think?
Should we include the MSVC Redist to support newer players?
Or should we save download size for older players?

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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by Kamaze » 09 Sep 2006, 13:13

Why not splitt it simply?
So that users which need them, can download it seperately.
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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by DevUrandom » 09 Sep 2006, 13:28

License forbids us to provide it in a seperate download. The only other option we have would be to point the user to one of the 3 cryptic Microsoft downloads: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=de
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=de
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=de
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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by DevUrandom » 09 Sep 2006, 14:55

Would be interesting to know why they are not able to install it... ???

PS: Your site looks cool, even though I don't understand a word. ,)
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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by Speeder » 09 Sep 2006, 15:18

i think may be, becase they have windows xp sp1 ... but these is only my imho... may be you can extract files MSVC, and put them here ...
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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by DevUrandom » 09 Sep 2006, 15:25

Ah yes, I forgot our WinXP SP1 friends...
Well, if they allready have the special FCKGW version of Windows, then they probably wont bother to get the msvcr80.dll from somewhere. (I heard that Windows accepts it also as a DLL instead of a shiny new SxS thingy.)
And then there is also http://kwzs.be/msvcrt-redist.msi but I heard that it doesn't help at all.

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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by lav_coyote25 » 09 Sep 2006, 17:07

hows about this....

one release with the redist included and marked as containing it.

one release with out the redist and marked as such not containing it. 

i know is a lot of work for you dev... but will solve the nagging. ;D
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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by rush2049 » 09 Sep 2006, 17:33

I'm with coyote on this one.
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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by DevUrandom » 09 Sep 2006, 18:27

Another idea for 2.1:
Make updates possible (I need to have a look at NSIS how to do that) and supply an update not containing the redist and a full download with everything in it.
Would be good to split the warzone.wz into several smaller parts and only have the exe and the changed parts in an update. The .wz files would go into a wzfiles/ folder and all files in that folder be automatically loaded or something.
That would decrease the download size for people allready having the prior version (and upload size for me ;) ) while still providing an easy way to install the game for new players...


For 2.0.5 I think I could upload 2 Windows installers, one containing the redists and another containing just the (clickable) links to the redists and the info that one needs to install them. (I'll pull the latter out of my trunk. I allready did that a while ago.)
Would that be ok?
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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by indica » 10 Sep 2006, 00:13

not too sure what you mean by an installer with clickable links. .i am not sure how windows installers work but if you could make it like updating your windows from microsoft. checking the box next to only what you need. that would be great.
Of course downloading only what you need is essential if you have bandwidth concerns.

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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by Terminator » 10 Sep 2006, 09:50

:) I'm agree with idia of updater(like in warcraft 8) ). Too pity that it will be only with 2.1.0.

What about 2.0.5 > Yes its better to keep 2 installers(Its because my clan mattes couldnt to download previous versions And I dl'ed compared with older versions and send them updated files) so I vouting for Updater ;)
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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by DevUrandom » 10 Sep 2006, 12:55

Updater won't be before 2.1 for reasons stated above...

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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by C01eMaN » 11 Sep 2006, 21:00

i have an idea if u cannot figure out to do the same with nsis - u could use inno setup it can check to see if the end user has the c++ 2k5 redist files if not it will ask to download and install them automatically and it could also check for a game update at the same time via another prompt. sounds simple enough dont you agree? and because inno setup scripts are easy to make anyold noob can make them (i can).

but if u need help with the autoupdater/distro c++ downloader code for nsis ill have a look what i can do for u i suppose it'd be simpler to stick to the same installer rather than complicating things with others
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Re: Windows installer with or without MSVC?

Post by DevUrandom » 11 Sep 2006, 21:39

Is InnoSetup free or do you own the FCKGW edition? (And I'll have a look at NSIS or MSI anyway, don't worry. ;) )

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