Re: Mini-rocket ARTILLERY
Posted: 04 Jan 2010, 11:24
Voted for battery.
Array is also a good option too :rolleyes:
Array is also a good option too :rolleyes:
This statement is less than correct. The armament of naval vessels has also traditionally referred to using the term battery. And a collection of self-propelled howitzers is also referred to as a battery, going at least as far back as the Vietnam war.Zarel wrote:Batteries have traditionally referred to stationary emplacements. That's why the Mini-Rocket Artillery emplacement is called a Mini-Rocket Battery.
Source: Self Propelled Howitzer (SPH)Self Propelled Howitzer (SPH), globalsecurity.org wrote: The common field artillery weapon in Vietnam was the 105-mm, howitzer used in World War II and Korea; however, several carriages were used -- a low profile lightweight carriage for airborne units, the standard carriage used during World War II and Korea for infantry divisions, and the improved self-propelled carriage for mechanized units. Three batteries of self-propelled 155-mm howitzers and one battery of self-propelled 8-inch howitzers were assigned at division level and additional 155-mm and 8-inch howitzers and self-propelled 175-mm guns at corps level.
Dictionary.com wrote: bat⋅ter⋅y /ˈbætəri/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [bat-uh-ree]
–noun, plural -ter⋅ies.
- Electricity.
- a. Also called galvanic battery, voltaic battery. a combination of two or more cells electrically connected to work together to produce electric energy.
b. cell (def. 7a).- any large group or series of related things: a battery of questions.
- Military.
- two or more pieces of artillery used for combined action.
- a tactical unit of artillery, usually consisting of six guns together with the artillerymen, equipment, etc., required to operate them.
- a parapet or fortification equipped with artillery.
[KenAlcock: Look at the related Wikipedia photo, and you'll see that such batteries usually have several artillery pieces]- a group or series of similar articles, machines, parts, etc.
- Baseball. the pitcher and catcher considered as a unit.
[KenAlcock: In other words two players, not one.]- Navy. a. (on a warship) a group of guns having the same caliber or used for the same purpose.
- the whole armament of a warship.
- Psychology. a series of tests yielding a single total score, used for measuring aptitude, intelligence, personality, etc.
[KenAlcock: For example, all enlistees in any United States military service branch, are required to take the Armed Service Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB).]- the act of beating or battering.
[KenAlcock: In other words, the act of delivering several blows as a collective assault.]- Law. an unlawful attack upon another person by beating or wounding, or by touching in an offensive manner.
[KenAlcock: In other words, the unlawful act of delivering several blows as a collective assault.]- an instrument used in battering.
[KenAlcock: This is the only singular definition of battery.]- Also, batterie. Music. the instruments comprising the percussion section of an orchestra.
- any imposing group of persons or things acting or directed in unison: a battery of experts.
Source LinkDepartment of Defense, NATO Terms as documented by militarywords.com wrote: Battery Definition: (DOD, NATO)
- Tactical and administrative artillery unit or subunit corresponding to a company or similar unit in other branches of the Army.
- All guns, torpedo tubes, searchlights, or missile launchers of the same size or caliber or used for the same purpose, either installed in one ship or otherwise operating as an entity.
So here we see that is the collective of all turrets on the ship referred to as its battery, not one of its weapon turrets.Interesting USS Missouri Facts page, http://www.ussmissouri.org wrote:Her armament included the main battery of nine 16 inch guns and twenty 5 inch anti-aircraft guns. There were 5 mounts on each side with two guns in each. (When she was modernized in the 1980's four of the mounts were removed and were replaced by Tomahawk missile launchers, so there are only 12 of them now.)
Source LinkDepartment of Defense, NATO Terms as documented by militarywords.com wrote: Emplacement Definition: (DOD, NATO)
- A prepared position for one or more weapons or pieces of equipment, for protection against hostile fire or bombardment, and from which they can execute their tasks.
- The act of fixing a gun in a prepared position from which it may be fired.
With Rman and TVR gone, we really do need someone who knows about military naming.kenalcock wrote:I know this is an old thread, but some of the ideas kicked around here are less than well-informed.
The problem is, Mini-Pod, Lancer, and TK are rocket launchers. Mini-Rocket Artillery and Ripple Rockets are specifically MRLs. So it's inaccurate to call them "mini-rocket launcher" and "ripple rocket launcher".kenalcock wrote:So with all the above information several stationary weapon structures should be renamed:
Mini-Rocket Battery should be renamed: Mini-Rocket Launcher
Ripple Rocket Battery should be renamed: Ripple Rocket Launcher
Seraph Missile Battery should be renamed: Seraph Missile Launcher
Archangel Missile Emplacement should be renamed: Archangel Missile Launcher
and so on..
Sounds really good to me.Corporal Punishment wrote:As far as the Mini-rocket Array is concerned, we should get rid of the "Mini-rocket" first. It implies that this weapon is somewhat similar to Mini-rocket Pod. In fact, the two could not be less similar. On the other hand, this is the part in the name that states that these weapons share upgrades. Not an easy task at hand... Maybe like this: rename "Mini-rocket Pod" to "Anti-tank Mini-rocket" and "Mini-rocket Array" to "Ballistic Mini-rocket".
And to me.Per wrote:Sounds really good to me.Corporal Punishment wrote:As far as the Mini-rocket Array is concerned, we should get rid of the "Mini-rocket" first. It implies that this weapon is somewhat similar to Mini-rocket Pod. In fact, the two could not be less similar. On the other hand, this is the part in the name that states that these weapons share upgrades. Not an easy task at hand... Maybe like this: rename "Mini-rocket Pod" to "Anti-tank Mini-rocket" and "Mini-rocket Array" to "Ballistic Mini-rocket".
That doesn't convey the fact that one's a rocket launcher and one's an MRL, which "Mini-Rocket Array" does.Corporal Punishment wrote:As far as the Mini-rocket Array is concerned, we should get rid of the "Mini-rocket" first. It implies that this weapon is somewhat similar to Mini-rocket Pod. In fact, the two could not be less similar. On the other hand, this is the part in the name that states that these weapons share upgrades. Not an easy task at hand... Maybe like this: rename "Mini-rocket Pod" to "Anti-tank Mini-rocket" and "Mini-rocket Array" to "Ballistic Mini-rocket".
Why is it inaccurate? Something with the word launcher in the name (without the word multiple) does not in any way convey how many (or how few) things are actually launched at one time. It only conveys that the weapon system uses a projectile powered by rocket propulsion.Zarel wrote:With Rman and TVR gone, we really do need someone who knows about military naming.kenalcock wrote:I know this is an old thread, but some of the ideas kicked around here are less than well-informed.
The problem is, Mini-Pod, Lancer, and TK are rocket launchers. Mini-Rocket Artillery and Ripple Rockets are specifically MRLs. So it's inaccurate to call them "mini-rocket launcher" and "ripple rocket launcher".kenalcock wrote:So with all the above information several stationary weapon structures should be renamed:
Mini-Rocket Battery should be renamed: Mini-Rocket Launcher
Ripple Rocket Battery should be renamed: Ripple Rocket Launcher
Seraph Missile Battery should be renamed: Seraph Missile Launcher
Archangel Missile Emplacement should be renamed: Archangel Missile Launcher
and so on..
Try again.
I believe this is the real problem; you are overly concerned with trying to convey--in the weapon system name itself--whether or not that weapon system has a single projectile firing capability or a multiple projectile firing capability. Most modern weapons systems are simply not named like this. In fact, not all Warzone weapons are named like this, You have weapon systems like the Lancer, Tank Killer, and Scourge. These are all really good names--they sound much better than "Mini-Rocket blah blah". It gives them personality. Let the description of the weapon system in the Tree Guide and in the Intelligence Report screen describe the intricacies of each weapon system. And in the case of the Lancer, Tank Killer, and Scourge, all three weapon systems are capable of firing two projectiles, yet their names do not convey this.Zarel wrote:Well, the basic idea is that it needs to be clear to casual players that the MRL is a salvo weapon and the pod isn't.
Yes, but it should (see below).kenalcock wrote:Why is it inaccurate? Something with the word launcher in the name (without the word multiple) does not in any way convey how many (or how few) things are actually launched at one time. It only conveys that the weapon system uses a projectile powered by rocket propulsion.
It's fine that the single rocket launchers, like Mini-Rocket, Lancer, Tank Killer, don't explicitly specify that they're not salvo weapons. But stuff like the MRL really do need to.kenalcock wrote:I believe this is the real problem; you are overly concerned with trying to convey--in the weapon system name itself--whether or not that weapon system has a single projectile firing capability or a multiple projectile firing capability. Most modern weapons systems are simply not named like this. In fact, not all Warzone weapons are named like this, You have weapon systems like the Lancer, Tank Killer, and Scourge. These are all really good names--they sound much better than "Mini-Rocket blah blah". It gives them personality. Let the description of the weapon system in the Tree Guide and in the Intelligence Report screen describe the intricacies of each weapon system. And in the case of the Lancer, Tank Killer, and Scourge, all three weapon systems are capable of firing two projectiles, yet their names do not convey this.
The main thing is, most players don't look at the name much. People who care about the name are probably the same people who look upon it for information...kenalcock wrote:I would argue that given the weapons systems actual names like these is simply more fun. But I do understand that you want to communicate the type of capability they have so I'll cook up something.
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Current Name Trajectory Guidance Target Type Class New Base Tech Name New Structure/Turret Names
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Mini-Rocket Pod direct Unguided AT RL L Sting Mini-Rocket Sting RL Tower/Turret
Mini-Rocket Array indirect Unguided AL MRL L Swarm Mini-Rocket Swarm MRL Emplacement/Turret
Lancer direct Unguided AT RL M Lancer Rocket Lancer RL Tower/Hardpoint/Emplacement/Turret
Bunker Buster direct Unguided AS RL H Bunker Buster Rocket Bunker Buster RL Turret
Tank Killer direct Unguided AT RL H Tank Killer Rocket Tank Killer RL Hardpoint/Emplacement/Turret
Ripple Rockets indirect Unguided ART AMRL M Ripple Rocket Ripple MRL Emplacement/Turret
Scourge Missile direct Guided AT ML H Scourge Missile Scourge ML Tower/Hardpoint/Turret
Seraph Missile direct Guided ART MML M Seraph Missile Seraph MML Emplacement/Turret
Archangel Missile direct Guided ART MML H Archangel Missile Archangel MML Emplacement/Turret