Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

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Should the Guard Position & Pursue Orders be brought back?

Yes
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94%
No
5
6%
 
Total votes: 79

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by Berg » 24 Mar 2019, 23:56

Neovita wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 19:35
Every time you switch the state of a secondary command using interface buttons (e.g from Persure to Guard or from Hold to Guard) the ongoing executed order like "attack that guy over there" or "move there" or even a queue of movement orders (using shift) is getting cancelled and the units execute the "Stop" command once.
I dont think this is new behavour for unit orders i think this was introduced maybe before when the orders was taken out for i used to be able to tell a truck to built something like a derrick and then give it away it used tom continue to build the derrick but in the new player colour this no longer works or send a mess of tanks to a spot and give them away they would continue to that spot but not now in 3.3.0beta1
I think this is not unit order related its and error introduced before

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by Neovita » 25 Mar 2019, 00:35

Berg, you might be right about that. I were way to long away from the WZ scene, to be able to say that for sure =) Still working myself trough all the changes and some of the commits since version 2.3 wich will take some time ofc :(

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by LezzoMazonn » 18 May 2019, 18:59

I can't understand why they have been removed, it's not true they never worked. Don't know about multiplayer, but in the campaing they worked for sure.
It's a pain to micromanage your troops because mortars keep running forward into enemy base because enemy retreated back to base.
Is there a button for it? Please tell me there is one

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by pastdue » 19 May 2019, 23:04

The good news is that Guard, Persue and Hold ("secondary unit orders") are on track to return for 3.3.0_beta2, which will hopefully be out soon-ish.

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by LezzoMazonn » 26 May 2019, 17:49

That's really good to hear, thank you for the news!

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by jsmith42690 » 02 Jun 2019, 21:48

Generally I try to stay out of stuff like this and simply enjoy the game. Warzone 2100 means a lot to me, because it was literally the second game I ever played, via the Demo made available to owners of different PS1 games.

I was excited to know that this game was made open source and has been improved upon.

However, I'm not at all pleased by the state of unit behavior in this current release of the game. I have read through several pages of this petition and I am shocked and appalled by the logic with which unit orders have been removed and not replaced.

I like to consider myself a smarter person than my 12 year old self, and yet, I cannot finish alpha campaign I used to have no problem finishing, because the final mission is rendered ridiculously, hilariously, unplayable because you can't get your units to SIT STILL and NOT CHASE the endlessly resupplied NP attackers that hit you and retreat, while you build up your forces from the LZ.

I can spam the S key all I like, my units will not stop pursuing enemies that come into range and then retreat.

I understand that this is a very old topic, but I am speaking up because I love this game, I do not generally participate in forum politics. I come now to tell you that, for me, this game is now unplayable, at least until I can figure out how to get my hands on an older version with the old commands intact.

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by Berserk Cyborg » 03 Jun 2019, 01:12

Secondary orders have been restored, with less buggy behavior, and will be present again in the upcoming 3.3.0 beta2 release. The real reason why units are constantly chasing things around is because primary guard was being overridden by an attacking/observe order when close enough to enemy objects. This was fixed as well.

If you want you can try out a development build until then: https://github.com/Warzone2100/warzone2 ... ent-builds.

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by WZ2100ModsFAn » 03 Jun 2019, 02:39

Berserk Cyborg wrote:
03 Jun 2019, 01:12
Secondary orders have been restored, with less buggy behavior, and will be present again in the upcoming 3.3.0 beta2 release. The real reason why units are constantly chasing things around is because primary guard was being overridden by an attacking/observe order when close enough to enemy objects. This was fixed as well.

If you want you can try out a development build until then: https://github.com/Warzone2100/warzone2 ... ent-builds.
I know this is not relevant to that thread but..
The Oil Derrick Sound has still not been fixed.
Is it unfixable?
It's been a while and i haven't heard anything about the fix yet.
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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by Berg » 03 Jun 2019, 05:49

I dont think its broken in 3.3.0.Betta1
works for me

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by dantedante673 » 15 Jun 2019, 16:07

I love that game. So after so long time I just downloaded it today, latest version. Started playing....lot of changes, graphics ok, some more options in menu...all ok. After a while I noticed there is NOT a "Hold position" command in right click menu. Holding by pressing "H" makes my tanks dead - they just stand and not shooting at all. WTF is that, I uninstalled this, deleted, finally find 3.1.5 in some german website - because it seems 3.1.5 is gone for good from Sourceforge - and finally can play it.

All I have to say is, removing those options from game its a worst idea EVER. Lack of creativity cannot be replaced by breaking or dumbing that amazing game down.

Have a very good day.

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by WZ2100ModsFAn » 15 Jun 2019, 16:40

dantedante673 wrote:
15 Jun 2019, 16:07
I love that game. So after so long time I just downloaded it today, latest version. Started playing....lot of changes, graphics ok, some more options in menu...all ok. After a while I noticed there is NOT a "Hold position" command in right click menu. Holding by pressing "H" makes my tanks dead - they just stand and not shooting at all. WTF is that, I uninstalled this, deleted, finally find 3.1.5 in some german website - because it seems 3.1.5 is gone for good from Sourceforge - and finally can play it.

All I have to say is, removing those options from game its a worst idea EVER. Lack of creativity cannot be replaced by breaking or dumbing that amazing game down.

Have a very good day.
Download the master version.
https://travis-ci.org/Warzone2100/warzone2100
If you are a windows user.
https://ci.appveyor.com/project/Warzone ... /artifacts
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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by dantedante673 » 15 Jun 2019, 17:37

Thanks :)

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by dantedante673 » 16 Jun 2019, 18:49

Downloaded & installed...command is back, not all of them tough, but tanks "on hold" just not shooting again. So back to 3.1.5 anyway...

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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by WZ2100ModsFAn » 16 Jun 2019, 20:37

dantedante673 wrote:
16 Jun 2019, 18:49
Downloaded & installed...command is back, not all of them tough, but tanks "on hold" just not shooting again. So back to 3.1.5 anyway...
Could you please elaborate that "just not shooting again."?
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Re: Petition to reinstate Guard, Persue and Hold orders!

Post by Berg » 16 Jun 2019, 21:58

3.3.0-beta does not contain the fixes if you want to see what has been changed please use master.

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