Why is warzone now such a s*t?

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Re: Why is warzone now such a s*t?

Post by moltengear » 04 Dec 2018, 11:55

NoQ wrote:
19 Aug 2018, 18:59
Some players feel cheated.
Cheating has been pretty much eliminated since 3.1 by introducing the new synchronous network engine. Every unexpected change in the game state on one of the machines, including visibility cheating, would expose itself as a desync warning (which immediately indicates who cheats, even if it's the host, but doesn't affect the rest of the game for honest players) due to units picking different targets on different machines. It should still be possible to hack the remote game client into believing in the hacked game state, but there's pretty much no reason for people who are capable of this to target us, we're just too small and too non-evil and too cross-platform for a single low-level exploit to work reliably. Modded maps are now highlighted, and it is trivial to explore the contents of the map archive to find if it severely favors the host even during the game when you suspect that the map itself is unfair or that it contains modified stats or game rule scripts.

Most of the people who "feel cheated" simply don't know how to play and spend all game building walls in the middle of their base and then claim that they lose because their opponent is cheating. We can't do anything about it other than what i'm doing now: explaining that they are noobs crybabies wrong. And this has been explained dozens of times.
Many thanks for the work done against cheating in multiplayer!
And yet there are good reasons to suspect cheating. And the second problem. Also I agree. I can open the whole map at the level of graphic api.
An open card gives an advantage in unexpected raids. I took out so many players from the game without an open map.
But what will happen if I have a map opened at the start?
We really need support for recording games. Playback file in json format. This is very important for the development of the graphics engine.
Vincent talked about this already. It seems we have lost a good developer for the graphic part. He no longer writes.
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Re: Why is warzone now such a s*t?

Post by Berg » 05 Dec 2018, 02:38

moltengear wrote:
04 Dec 2018, 11:55
Vincent talked about this already. It seems we have lost a good developer for the graphic part. He no longer writes.
Many Devs come on with massive energy and after a time they leave its human nature don’t blame the project for lost interest moltengear.

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Re: Why is warzone now such a s*t?

Post by moltengear » 05 Dec 2018, 11:48

Berg wrote:
05 Dec 2018, 02:38
moltengear wrote:
04 Dec 2018, 11:55
Vincent talked about this already. It seems we have lost a good developer for the graphic part. He no longer writes.
Many Devs come on with massive energy and after a time they leave its human nature don’t blame the project for lost interest moltengear.
I think that the non-modular structure of the project, as well as the lack of detailed documentation, will kill the desire of any good developer.
But if they have found something better, then we should be glad for them. :wink:
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Re: Why is warzone now such a s*t?

Post by andrvaut » 05 Dec 2018, 12:45

I would like to return to the main theme of this topic.
Players need a release. To offer to play a very unstable version (3.2.3) is not humane. Phobos statistics show that the proportion of games in version 3.2.3 has again become less than half.

Starting with a scavengers - desink
Transfer of units to NTV - desink
Someone plays from the fire and opened the termites - desink
Successfully complete the game a little chance.

What problems in the master version do not allow the release candidate?
The critical problems indicated by Berserk Cyborg are almost all solved.
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Re: Why is warzone now such a s*t?

Post by moltengear » 05 Dec 2018, 18:29

The fact that serious changes are largely for developers, not for the players.
Convertion of the native convoluted script into javascript make it possible to create a missions for new campaign.
In order to at least make a good version for the players, we need 4 things.
wz_spectators_menu2.jpg
Add checkbox for
1) 3.1.5 mode
2) open map at start
And
3) make a column for viewers
4) Ability to remove the new tower.
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We can first do crutches to support viewers using existing code. Data transfer optimization will be in the next version. Something like that.
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Post by andrvaut » 05 Dec 2018, 18:53

I agree that these features will be helpful. Moreover, I really want to see some of them (1,4).

But I still want to stop seeing the recommendation to play 3.2.3 version.
The release with the work already done will be very useful. We will stop losing players due to frequent desinks, bugs in the campaign, incompatibility with video cards and even low FPS
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Re: Why is warzone now such a s*t?

Post by Berserk Cyborg » 06 Dec 2018, 04:59

andrvaut wrote: I would like to return to the main theme of this topic.
Players need a release. To offer to play a very unstable version (3.2.3) is not humane. Phobos statistics show that the proportion of games in version 3.2.3 has again become less than half.
...
What problems in the master version do not allow the release candidate?
The critical problems indicated by Berserk Cyborg are almost all solved.
Don't worry, it will be very soon. Pastdue has a few build/cmake related improvements to finish (very important pull-requests from pastdue got merged into vcpkg). Forgon alluded to having a number of GUI fixes to test before next release. And I am content with the completion of my previous list here, and that one mod ticket isn't stopping a release. There are some campaign related issues I want to address, but I'll wait until the release to think about pushing anything in fear of causing some unforeseen catastrophe.

Edit:
I'm skeptical if anything can be done to improve some areas like GUI, actions/order, commanders (10+ tickets), templates, messages, etc. The real issue is that they have reached the realm of no return and are more difficult to maintain, let alone understand, than worth putting effort into fixing.

The spaghetti magic (or poor design like Cyp wrote) has won the war. And the only way forward is to go all out scorched-Earth on them. What this means, I don't know, but it likely entails drastic changes and effort (inb4 drama). :ninja:

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Re: Why is warzone now such a s*t?

Post by Berg » 06 Dec 2018, 08:28

I think this release will be make or brake warzone the community is patient but another bad release might not go down well so lets not change anything drastic before release

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Re: Why is warzone now such a s*t?

Post by Lord_Kane » 07 Dec 2018, 05:22

Berg wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 08:28
I think this release will be make or brake warzone the community is patient but another bad release might not go down well so lets not change anything drastic before release
I agree with Berg here, another poor release like 3.2 and 3.2.2 is going to just shatter the community even more, but there are still issues to solved like pursuit orders etc, but hopefully those can be addressed in the future.

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