Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master (+40% in my estimation)

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Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master (+40% in my estimation)

Postby Reg312 » 06 Feb 2012, 16:58

Tested AG damage and found what it increased in master comparing to 2.3.9
Test1
Test steps:
1) Start scirmish game (flate map) T3
2) Create AG tank (python half-tracks Assault gun)
3) Create TAC tank (python half-tracks Twin assault cannon)
4) Order tanks to kill each other
Remaining HP of TAC tank (6 probes):
2.3.9: 18%, 19%, 17%, 19%,20%,15%
3.1 beta: 33%, 35%, 30%, 35%, 33%, 32%

update: this test was not fully correct because wounded tanks make 100% damage in master and dont get attack speed penalties

Test2
1) Start scirmish game (flate map) T3
2) Create AG tank (python half-tracks Assault gun)
3) Create TAC tank (python half-tracks Twin assault cannon)
4) Order AG tank to kill TAC tank
Time required to kill TAC tank (2 probes, game speed x1, T3 res):
2.3.9: 02:56, 2:40 (diagonal fire)
3.1 beta: 1:36, 1:35 (diagonal fire)

during test a noticed AG have better accuracy in master.

so i can notice AG about ~40-50% stronger in master/beta3.1
ty for reading :)
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master

Postby zany » 06 Feb 2012, 21:14

are you attacking your own units?
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master

Postby Emdek » 06 Feb 2012, 21:18

zany, use ALT when clicking. ;-)
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master

Postby zany » 06 Feb 2012, 21:52

he is saying it takes 1:36 to kill TAC by AG? that is not the case on my machine
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master

Postby Reg312 » 06 Feb 2012, 22:20

zany wrote:he is saying it takes 1:36 to kill TAC by AG? that is not the case on my machine


yes i'm attaicking my own units.
what time it takes on your machine? note research level was T3
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master

Postby Iluvalar » 06 Feb 2012, 23:44

1:38 when in long range
and
2:00 in short range
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master

Postby Safety0ff » 06 Feb 2012, 23:59

Target prediction was changed in master.
As far as damage goes it is important to remember that damage done in versions prior to 3.1 wasn't even consistent across machines and parameters such as frame rate.
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master

Postby Reg312 » 07 Feb 2012, 00:34

Iluvalar wrote:1:38 when in long range
and
2:00 in short range


Assault gun
Long hit chance 50%
Short hit chance 75%
http://guide.wz2100.net/w/assaultgun

Safety0ff wrote:Target prediction was changed in master.
As far as damage goes it is important to remember that damage done in versions prior to 3.1 wasn't even consistent across machines and parameters such as frame rate.

my target in test did not moved


when i tested Assault Gun it was like that weapon have about 90% accuracy
next time i need to count bullets of AG to test real accuracy
.. easier change code and count "missed" in log


2Iluvalar: did you tested on x1 speed? i think test on x2 can give incorrect results
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master

Postby Iluvalar » 07 Feb 2012, 01:26

No, both test were simultaneous and reproduced twice.
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master (+40% in my estimat

Postby Reg312 » 25 Apr 2012, 23:30

so, in 3.1 beta Assault Gun and Twin Assault Gun became best weapon
i see players use it always in high-oil games
and also many players using AG in low oil games

in 3.1 we have nerfed cyborgs and boosted tracked propulsion
i see tigers on tracks used by players and it good design (in 2.3 this design could be used only for artillery tanks)

i see now why AG became so strong
1) increased accuracy (change accuracy code/target prediction)
* machinegun is very unaccurate weapon, only 50% chance to hit from long distance
=> all unaccurate weapons was boosted by this way
(mini-rockets. MRA)
in my tests in 2.3 version MG had more missed shots than in 3.1 (may be i'm wrong here, hard to check it)
2) increased rate of fire
** 2.3 version cointain some bug with rate of fire, it was fixed in 3.1
but bugfixer did not care about fact what 2.3 stats was adjusted to this bug :)

by my estimation rate of fire for AG was increased by 20-40%
(i checked number of bullets per 10 seconds in both versions)

so i can certainly say: version 3.1 have broken balance and it should be fixed as simple bug :P

update: we have also AA with higest rate of fire
seems it boosted too!

so, vtols in beta also was strongly nerfed!

here is my fix for weapons with high ROF (if someone like codes and numbers): https://github.com/crabster/warzone2100/commit/7a3f499cae9e2bb7c7a4508422f5ab585411fadc
AG ROF 363 -> 300
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master (+40% in my estimat

Postby Giani » 26 Apr 2012, 01:30

I saw that in beta the mgs shoot faster than in 2.3.9 too.
My maps: http://forums.wz2100.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9501
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master (+40% in my estimat

Postby Cyp » 26 Apr 2012, 07:09

Fixed rate of fire in 3.1, recently, so it should be the same as 2.3's rate of fire, again.

(Unless you're not getting enough FPS in 2.3, that is, since 2.3's rate of fire can't exceed the FPS. If you get exactly 10 FPS in 2.3, then the rate of fire would be rounded down to the next 10, 5, 3.333, 2.5, or 2 shots per second, since a shot can only be fired when the graphics is drawn (except noone gets exactly 10 FPS, if it varies between 10.001 FPS and 9.999 FPS, you get less shots per second than if it's exactly 10 FPS). If you're getting 60 FPS in 2.3, there shouldn't be much difference. In 3.1, everything, including rate of fire, is the same whether you get 1 FPS or 1000 FPS.)
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master (+40% in my estimat

Postby Reg312 » 26 Apr 2012, 10:25

@Cyp: can you point me to commit with that fix? i dont see it
my FPS should be good in 2.3, it never lagged (except network lags)

yes, when FPS slow down in 2.3 - all tanks got slow ROF and speed,
but it is not a reason to say what AG was just buggy weapon in 2.3
AG was stable in 2.3, stable as any other weapon
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master (+40% in my estimat

Postby Cyp » 26 Apr 2012, 19:36

Reg312 wrote:@Cyp: can you point me to commit with that fix? i dont see it
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Re: Assault gun damage in 3.1beta/master (+40% in my estimat

Postby Reg312 » 26 Apr 2012, 19:44

Cyp wrote:
Reg312 wrote:@Cyp: can you point me to commit with that fix? i dont see it
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5d339a49759ced416fc7f0aa23867c39917e930d (Recent is a relative term.)


if i unerstood correct, nothing was changed in last 3 months, and AG is still strongest weapon
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