Why Not Split a Cyborg Into Three Parts Too?

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Why Not Split a Cyborg Into Three Parts Too?

Post by Merowingg » 18 May 2013, 16:01

Hello Gentlemen, I am not sure if the idea is not brought many times if yes, then sorry, but here it is.

We have this unique and cool possibility to create tanks in various ways.

Why not do the same with cyborgs too. Type of legs, then body, then arms.

Legs would vary into legs ;), hovercraft like legs, and rorellblade legs which would allove to move quickly.

The body would vary in the tipe of strong it would be, the stronger, the smaller weapon you could put into arms.

Arms would allow you to carry any weapon available in game, which was already researched.

Please look at the Front Mission 3 and then Front Mission Evolved games in youtube, and you will know what I mean.

If such feature would be possible. a great improvement in the 3.up would appear.

Please let me know what you think :)

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Re: Why not split a cybord into three parts too?

Post by Originway » 18 May 2013, 18:19

not worth the trouble

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Re: Why not split a cybord into three parts too?

Post by Merowingg » 18 May 2013, 21:36

I have to admit that the scope of your answer is so deep that there is practically nothing more to say. One may even consider locking the thread, but not me :3

Look closely, tens here did things not worth anything here so it was finally added to the game you are happily playing and using those things both visible and not all the time.

Also be adviced that you have been spotted. There were numerous users who thought they will be sneaky and play around. Many would have to buy new OS to joins us here. I share as a god advice and god advice only.

Gentlemen, so who will cut a cyborg in three for me? :)
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Re: Why not split a cybord into three parts too?

Post by Rman Virgil » 18 May 2013, 23:54

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What you describe here is exactly what inspired Pumpkin Studios' tank design GPM ! Let me explain.

Back in 1993, the legendary Peter Molyneux produced a game called "Syndicate". It was a real time tactical strat game with Borgs that you designed through a UI like what WZ did 6 years after with tanks. Very popular and succesfull game that spawned an expansion and sequel, "Syndicate Wars". 20 years after the original was released, a reboot was released as an FPS in 2012. The design of Borgs from parts was integral to the "Syndicate" games and their appeal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicate_(video_game)

How it would work out in WZ who can say with any certainty. It would involve a lot of work to create, test and balance, that's for sure. But if there are people willing and skilled - why shouldn't they go ahead and do it. Never know, mods of original games have been known to outstrip the original in popularity to the point they supplant the original and become the basis of thier own franchise.

What happens here too often is that peeps look to the games devs to make their suggestions canonical. That's not how it works. Beyond making the game mod friendlier and the core game more robust, it is not the devs mission to make mods canonical ..... modifying the game GPMs, aka most wholesale "suggestions", is really the domain of the game community to take on, IMHO.

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Re: Why not split a cybord into three parts too?

Post by Shadow Wolf TJC » 19 May 2013, 02:15

@Merowingg: I'd imagine that you'd want the Cyborg's body component to determine whether it's a smaller Cyborg, or a Super Cyborg, while the weapon component may or may not be dependent on the Cyborg's body, right? If the Cyborg's weapon choices are indeed going to be independent from what the Cyborg's body is going to be (meaning that Super Cyborg weapons may be mounted on smaller Cyborgs, though possibly slowing the smaller Cyborgs down due to the weapon's heavier weight), then we'd have to work on making the Cyborg's body rotate like a turret, since the game currently treats the upper torsos of Cyborgs as part of the Cyborg's turret. (I discovered this as I was developing Contingency. At one time, I had Cyborgs that looked like Heavy Machinegun Turrets on legs. :lol2: ) The pelvis of the Cyborg would be treated as part of the Cyborg's propulsion system, so that it wouldn't rotate with the Cyborg.
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Re: Why not split a cybord into three parts too?

Post by aubergine » 19 May 2013, 03:57

As I understand it, the code used to do cyborgs currently is somewhat grim internally. I know Per was quite frustrated with it when he was working on the JS API. The way the JS API works you specify the individual components, but that then gets converted in to whatever the standard templates are (and if no standard template, it breaks IIRC).

It would certainly be nice to be able to design borgs, and have them work in a similar way to tanks. This would open up the possibility of various kinds of propulsion (currently just "legs", but there was also a jetpack cyborg at some point?) and body (currently just normal and super, but more could be added?). Like tanks, the body would have an engine power - so if you put a heavy weapon on a normal body borg, the borg would be slower to move.

You could also have two-turret cyborgs (weapon on each arm), maybe only on the super borg bodies though?

Another thing, having a designer would open up the possibility to create mechs which is something I'd dearly love to see in WZ.

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That in turn would merit being able to build a module on a cyborg factory (would still be 1x2 tile building, just gets taller and bulkier when module built) to make it able to build mechs?
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Re: Why not split a cybord into three parts too?

Post by Perseus » 19 May 2013, 04:09

aubergine wrote:Another thing, having a designer would open up the possibility to create mechs
Nice idea, would be good for the game. :)

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Re: Why not split a cybord into three parts too?

Post by Rman Virgil » 19 May 2013, 04:37

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Played a bunch with a WZ Mech mod in '08 and it was a lot of fun. My thinking is to dev em like Keith Laumer's Bolos and replace the current commander unit with a command mech that has an advanced multi-vector coordinated maneuver tac a.i. that the player selectively enables through an enhanced command UI & mini-map. Dream on, Rman. :shock:
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Re: Why not split a cybord into three parts too?

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Re: Why not split a cybord into three parts too?

Post by Lord Apocalypse » 20 May 2013, 07:39

Unless the borgs get a big revamped (ie mechs) I don't see much point to splitting them into 3 components as there is only one propulsion (legs), 2 bodies styles (used by all) and multiple weapons choices. So, for now worth the thinking on what direction to take them but not worth the effort to do any major code work me thinks.

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Re: Why not split a cybord into three parts too?

Post by Merowingg » 21 May 2013, 08:35

Oh sorry, as I said, I did not know of existence of still similar topics.

Gentlemen I learn a lot from you, do I understand correctly thar rotating upper body of a cyborg would be a problem? And there shall be completely new bodies to suits multiple purposes and function correct, look good?

I hope everyone know that I only bring ideas, in meaning, if those are hell to make, crazy, not friendly ;) i am terrible at the knowledge of how you put things into shape, then do not poison me or simething ;)

What about the three legs type. Isnt that good? Hover hich would look like an "end" of a bee or ant, roller blades, so they drive, normal legs, they walk, hmm there could be also the track one, like Wallie has :P

Damn, if I could put into shapw what i see and put into practice :)
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