Double, Triple, Quadruple research, Oh my!

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Re: Double, Triple, Quadruple research, Oh my!

Post by aubergine » 02 Apr 2013, 18:14

Ally not building module is not a research problem, it's an ally not building modules problem = they need educating to build modules ASAP
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Re: Double, Triple, Quadruple research, Oh my!

Post by Rommel » 02 Apr 2013, 18:32

aubergine wrote:Ally not building module is not a research problem, it's an ally not building modules problem = they need educating to build modules ASAP
I know most disagree with me, but I really feel research modules, power modules and factory modules should be done away with and automatically added when the research is done just like the subsequent upgrades that come afterwards. It would take a lot of the confusion out of the game as well as free trucks up from micromanagement so that they can be building defenses and such.

Would it be possible with the api as it stands to create a mod for this? I might try my hand at modding one day and I guess this could be a good one to start with :)
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Re: Double, Triple, Quadruple research, Oh my!

Post by aubergine » 02 Apr 2013, 18:57

I prefer needing to build them, I think it adds to the gameplay. If we start automating everything too much, it will get boring.

As for the JS API, yes, it might be possible - you could listen to eventResearched() and when you see modules being researched use the addStructure() functon to place the module. I'm not sure if addStructure() can place modules though - never tried it.
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Post by Rommel » 02 Apr 2013, 19:06

Cool thanks!
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Re: Double, Triple, Quadruple research, Oh my!

Post by Merowingg » 25 Apr 2013, 12:08

We really need to have a "no shared research at all" mode (:
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Re: Double, Triple, Quadruple research, Oh my!

Post by Olrox » 26 Apr 2013, 01:50

We really need to have a "no shared research at all" mode (:
I agree with that completely. Sometimes you want a game to progress with regular research speed, but want allies when you're fighting. Disabling shared research would encourage the players to use combined forces since each one can specialize in a single area.

And I guess that encouraging the use of combined forces is necessary to better develop cooperation.

Also, I agree that the first player to reach the research development stage (considering the "green power bar thingy" is actually the resource allocation stage) should have exclusivity in researching it unless someone else has a research module he/she doesn't. I've found ou that it's really boring to have to wait for your occasional not-upgraded scumbag ally to research something when testing some 2x2 maps in co-op with AI.

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Re: Double, Triple, Quadruple research, Oh my!

Post by Merowingg » 26 Apr 2013, 06:17

hmm... :hmm: it sounds crazy for me. Wouldnt it change the game drastically?
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Post by Olrox » 26 Apr 2013, 10:26

Merowingg wrote:hmm... :hmm: it sounds crazy for me. Wouldnt it change the game drastically?
Would be just a mode which can be switched on and off as far as I can imagine. Then it'd change the game as drastically as setting the power levels from low to high, or having alliances enabled :)

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Post by Rommel » 26 Apr 2013, 12:20

Olrox wrote: Would be just a mode which can be switched on and off as far as I can imagine. Then it'd change the game as drastically as setting the power levels from low to high, or having alliances enabled :)
Or having to pay for Derricks... from my experience the devs are very reluctant to add new settings so outside of a mod you probably won't see this happen.
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Post by Olrox » 26 Apr 2013, 17:00

Rommel wrote:
Olrox wrote: Would be just a mode which can be switched on and off as far as I can imagine. Then it'd change the game as drastically as setting the power levels from low to high, or having alliances enabled :)
Or having to pay for Derricks... from my experience the devs are very reluctant to add new settings so outside of a mod you probably won't see this happen.
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Post by The Overlord » 26 Apr 2013, 19:31

Things like prices for derricks really would change a lot of the game. Not allowing dumb or unlucky allies to waste power will not change any strategies and would be very helpful.

I see no reason why this should not be implemented, however it will take some time and someone willing to do it.

If someone has a module and your partner does not, perhaps if the research is early enough, it could switch to the person with the module for little cost.
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Re: Double, Triple, Quadruple research, Oh my!

Post by Olrox » 26 Apr 2013, 19:49

The Overlord wrote: If someone has a module and your partner does not, perhaps if the research is early enough, it could switch to the person with the module for little cost.
Better yet, the research is transferred at current progress stage to the priority player (whoever has a module the other one has not)!

How about that?

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Post by The Overlord » 27 Apr 2013, 00:33

Good for me, I just dislike having to tell other players to stop researching what I do - with a 20% success rate. :)
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Re: Double, Triple, Quadruple research, Oh my!

Post by Shadow Wolf TJC » 27 Apr 2013, 04:39

Perhaps a popup could appear whenever a player attempts to research something that an ally is already researching, warning him/her that researching the same thing that the ally is researching won't make it go any faster, and recommending selecting another research option as an alternative, ending with the typical "Are you sure?" yes/no question.
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Re: Double, Triple, Quadruple research, Oh my!

Post by NoQ » 30 Apr 2013, 04:23

Cyp wrote:Add teams mode without shared research.

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